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How's the research going?
I've got an idea. Why don't you explain your thoughts on the subject. Where and why I'm wrong. Then give evidence to support your position. Teach me. Yeah. That will do. More than a one line comment. Or, are you simply Chargers bitch? Should I just read his comments and post to get your opinion too?
Please Binge. Share your wisdom with me. point me in the right direction oh great one #2. :D :D
So you didn't do any research.
So you have no opinion? No new thoughts? Nothing to add?
Hookbender — Aug 19, 2010As much as this guy, at first read, seems to make sense, the more I want to read about government spending and budgets/deficits/surplus. It will take a lot of time but what the hell. I'm curious now to get deeper into this and get a better understanding. I just can't get my head to understand how huge deficits don't weigh down our growth, economy, etc. And why do spending increases need to continue? Maybe I'm looking at this as a business kinda thing to much and can't see the huge picture or something. I'll do some reading, some more reading.
What have you found?
I think he found it was much easier to crack open another beer and complain about Obama. ;D
Oh. Well. I thought you were pulling my chain.
At first glance...if we have no say in how much debt we're in, have no control I mean....and we have no say in taxes being raised or lowered, and the government can spend as much as it wants and tax us more without us having a say, and if budgets can raise, the bar can raise at any time with no effect, if we can give huge chunks of money to any country at any time for any reason and they have not to tell us what they spend it own, then I think any person could be President. And any President could sit in the big house and demand beer from Hilary and expect to get it. And, nothing matters but what the President does with the military. How does the person running the country feel about war, (and religion), should be the only question asked. And there is no reason for me to vote or anyone else for that matter because someone will, so someone will be President. We need one to look lagit. Rich people are all evil and they suck. They worked their ass off to get that way and they should have to take care of my children and elderly parents. They probably should build some roads and shit to since they are so good with money. Maybe even run the country. No...fuck that. We need to be in debt up to our ass and they probably wouldn't understand that. They would probably need to do some research. And hey, healthcare. this is where we start drinking. Lets fix it. Not all the way. Just some of the way. It will be so fucked up in 10 years we;ll have no choice but to fix it. Because it's really messed up now. We shouldn't worry about the economy anymore. Everything we've done was to prevent highs and lows. We want the economy staying at a steady average. That's why we have a recession every 8 to 10 years. Isn't that great. Government is fucking great. I want more if i get a say in the matter. If this shit continues, it's only fair to make pot legal.
No. There's no way I could read everything I need to in one day, concerning the topic. But I am feeling less and less important on my journey. And I do see why their are so my people out there that eat up the idea of lower taxes, because it's the only relief the working middle class can possibly hope for. And I am entertaining the though of going back to being a conservative because that may be my only hope of less taxes...less money out of my check. Nothing else matters really. All people who want less taxes are just greedy bastards who want to keep their money, or some of it.
Damn, I farted.
Wait, you want lower taxes?
I thought you wanted to lower the deficit. I guess you just want lower taxes instead. Somehow you missed the part of how we got this deficit in the first place.
Do you realize we have the lowest taxes already of any industrialized nation besides Ireland and Iceland?
You saw how it worked out for Iceland. Near complete collapse.
And Ireland? The biggest drop in GDP since the great depression. Far bigger even than ours.
The rest of your post is not worth commenting on, I think it's an attempt at humor but it's not... funny.
No, I don't support lower taxes. And it's not humor. But it is a little sarcastic.
The problem is no politician will campaign on raising taxes or cutting entitlements. Listen close to them. They will all say they will cut "waste" from the budget. As that article showed, Americans believe 50% of the budget is waste. Therefore, the politician who promises not to raise taxes, and to cut waste, will get votes, and everyone will think everything is then going to be fine.
The truth is, what we need now is not simply a roll-back of the Bush tax cuts. Those put us where we are today, in large part. But simply rolling them back is not going to help. We actually need to roll back taxes, and then raise them, too.
There is no politician who will promise to do this. There is no Congress that will enact it. And there is not much to cut from the budget, as you have seen. I would vote for that guy. Maybe 20% of the country would. I am one of the few who doesn't find my taxes outrageous. In fact, I think they are incredibly low. I'm not going to beg the government to raise them, but if I see the money being spent on wise things, I will have no problem with it. The war in Iraq was not something I supported in any way, shape, or form, and on the whole I think that was a travesty of my tax dollars. But doing things for Americans? Hell yes, I support that. Hell yeah. Medicare, unemployment, aid to states, I'd support an actual healthcare system too. At some point you have to feel that we are all Americans and we thrive and fail as one.
That makes sense to me. I support charger for president.
Underdog Lady (Elizabeth Warren) for prez! heh heh heh
I'd take Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat. I think if she doesn't get the position as head of the consumer credit bureau, I will look at that as a failure of the Obama administration to make a move that is really meaningful. She pretty much is change.
Never heard of her either and it didn't take long for me to like her.
That's the kind of people we need in Government.
Here's a good profile.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/12/AR2010081206356.html
I can't think of anyone better to head a consumer protection agency. Every time I hear her talk I am blown away by how straight-shooting she is.
I've watched quite a hours of vids and articles on her by now.
Yep....I hope she gets the job.
"It is impossible to buy a toaster that has a one-in-five chance of bursting into flames and burning down your house," she wrote in a now-famous 2007 article in the journal Democracy proposing such an agency. "But it is possible to refinance an existing home with a mortgage that has the same one-in-five chance of putting the family out on the street."
Love it.
charger — Aug 20, 2010The problem is no politician will campaign on raising taxes or cutting entitlements. Listen close to them. They will all say they will cut "waste" from the budget. As that article showed, Americans believe 50% of the budget is waste. Therefore, the politician who promises not to raise taxes, and to cut waste, will get votes, and everyone will think everything is then going to be fine.
The truth is, what we need now is not simply a roll-back of the Bush tax cuts. Those put us where we are today, in large part. But simply rolling them back is not going to help. We actually need to roll back taxes, and then raise them, too.
There is no politician who will promise to do this. There is no Congress that will enact it. And there is not much to cut from the budget, as you have seen. I would vote for that guy. Maybe 20% of the country would. I am one of the few who doesn't find my taxes outrageous. In fact, I think they are incredibly low. I'm not going to beg the government to raise them, but if I see the money being spent on wise things, I will have no problem with it. The war in Iraq was not something I supported in any way, shape, or form, and on the whole I think that was a travesty of my tax dollars. But doing things for Americans? Hell yes, I support that. Hell yeah. Medicare, unemployment, aid to states, I'd support an actual healthcare system too. At some point you have to feel that we are all Americans and we thrive and fail as one.
Are Iraq people.......not people??? I'd say that getting rid of Hussein would do many people good.
Do you support doing things for the Pakistan people too? Do you see that as spending money wisely? The 26 billion dollars we gave to them? And no idea what it will be spent on or where it goes?
Hookbender — Aug 24, 2010Are Iraq people.......not people??? I'd say that getting rid of Hussein would do many people good.
Do you support doing things for the Pakistan people too? Do you see that as spending money wisely? The 26 billion dollars we gave to them? And no idea what it will be spent on or where it goes?
Our "getting rid of Hussein" helped some Iraqis and hurt others depending on their sect. Our funding of Hussein for many years helped some Iraqis and hurt others. Both objectives cost us lotza borrowed money. The war there was sold as defense through offense not a help some of the people of Iraq mission. I guess you gotta make lemonade when you get the lemons....but who got the oil contracts and now control the main resource in the area?
We give money to Pakistan so we can continue to drone boom there and whatevz else we have going on. Its not really about the people of Pakistan just as the support we gave Hussein against Iran wasn't really for the Iraqi people, it was to accomplish an objective.
Giving money is giving money. But Iraq is a country of 30 million people. Pakistan has 1.3 billion. Iraq is like a large city in Pakistan, population-wise. Right now Pakistan is being walloped by floods that make Katrina look like a drizzle. But nobody gives a fuck, there is no oil in Pakistan, they are not Americans, there is no interest. Likewise, your bitching about 7.5 billion dollars in aid to Pakistan. 7.5 billion. Iraq cost 835 billion.
You have no sense of perspective.
Charger....we don't have 7.5 billion dollars to give. We don't have 26 billion to bail out teachers, we didn't have the money to purchase GM and Chrysler who shouldn't have been bailed out again, we don't have the money to have bases in Germany, we don't have the money to start a study of the effects of moon dust on the human body. We are broke. Let someone else help. If they don't, so be it. We can't take care of the world right now. Maybe later, but not now. Why doesn't China just give them the money directly themselves. We didn't have the money to help people after Katrina either, our own people in our own country. What we do have, is a fucked up government.
Wonder what the condition the U.S. would be in now if we stop giving money out to other countries because we don't have it, fix our problems....in order to be more effective with help in the future? And...let some other countries take up the slack for a while. Everyone needs to feed off the great U.S. at all times.
There is no way our country can afford to be as myopic as you want us to be.
All the signs are we're headed for another crazy round of financial volatility and economic doom.
It's a market tradition for September and October.