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http://wallstreet.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/09/01/ceos-cash-in-on-layoff-wave/
Fuck the recovery and the people, I wanna make some bux!
The institute says the top executives of the 50 firms with the most layoffs since the economic crisis started have taken home almost half again as much as the typical S&P 500 chieftain. The layoff crowd took home $12 million on average last year, the IPS said, compared with $8.4 million for the typical blue-chip company.
Average $12 mil salary. Something wrong with this picture to me.
I'd love to see those asswipes getting cornered in a dark alley by all the people they laid off. Now THAT would be some good "reality" TV!
The company I work for is cutting back big time also. Letting go all part time help, and brought all road sales people into the office for the entire 4th Quarter in order to save money. This seems to be brought on by concerns about the economy getting worse.
I'm all about news channels not being restricted in any way and free to report whatever, but just watch some news channels of your choice. It's all doom and gloom and worry worry worry. Oh it's so bad and could get worse. Double dip recession. All bad news. I really think the media is harming the economy with all this bad news. It's scaring people and businesses to death, literally. Enough all ready. Lets get a little optimistic, a little up beat.
About 3 people who own c stores I've talked to recently, and make way less than 250k a year, are telling me they paid from 1 thousand to $2400 more in taxes last year. Are we hurting small business with higher taxes in some way I'm unaware of?
Now I know things are bad, but do we really need to make things worse?
How about talking about things like this, for example....
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/10-states-with-ridiculously-low-unemployment----and-why-535377.html?tickers=%5Edji,%5Egspc,spy,dia,udn,edv,uup
Hook:
Lets get a little optimistic, a little up beat.
Last time someone(charger) said anything upbeat about the economy here you blasted them with bad news about the unemployement rate.
Not too long ago.
How can YOU be upbeat with obama at the helm. ;D
pickmaster60 — Sep 02, 2010Hook:
Lets get a little optimistic, a little up beat.
Last time someone(charger) said anything upbeat about the economy here you blasted them with bad news about the unemployement rate.
Not too long ago.
How can YOU be upbeat with obama at the helm. ;D
That's to easy. Charger was wrong about the economy. Being up beat or optimistic doesn't change the facts. It's not wrong to be optimistic or have a positive attitude. And that attitude could start with Obama, but especially the news media, and spread to business and people in general. Being optimistic doesn't require inaccurate news or factually incorrect statements.
Actually, I wasn'ty wrong about the economy, unless you are only picking and choosing your view of it. Unemployment looks bad, but I think the economy is recovering, and I'm not the only one who thinks that, and I think it would be a lot worse without the stimulus and a lot of the measures taken.
But part of it is ridiculous. Look at the stock market... monday , bad news and everything plummeted for two days. Wednseday, good news about something else and now the market is rallying like gangbusters. There is no rhyme or reason to it. Honestly, 10% unemployment means 90% employment. To me, it's amazing that even so many employed people are walking around with a dark cloud over their heads. But such is life.
I am still optimistic. Again, I work in tech, and a lot of good things are happening in tech. But I see all upside right now.
The economy is recovering. Holy shit. And just what are you basing this illusion on? ::) How well the housing market is doing? Or, the unemployment rate? Oh wait, I forgot, you base this illusion on Chargers current set of circumstances and just ignore the fact that overall, your very wrong. How can you ignore the horrible economy when you live in the worst shape city in the U.S.? Your own state is barely hanging on man. Unemployment rate is way bad. Oh but Chargers doing fine. And that means the economy is recovering. And Chargers in tech.
Hey Hook. Do you enjoy being a dick? Ever considered maybe living your own fucking life and just shutting the fuck up about shit you know nothing about?
Here's some unsolicited advice: go vote for some more fucking Republicans, genius.
Oh, hey, lest I forgot to thank you for your Bush votes--thanks for casting votes to completely fuck the country! You are a real gem of a human, and your generosity really helped us out, man. And your positivity... wonderful stuff, man. And I'm glad you know everything. Someone has to, and if it has to be someone, I'm sure glad it's you, because, let's face it, you've got nothing but good things to say about this country. And it's always super helpful to have someone out there who can tell me why my opinions are wrong, and also, why I can't have them. Also, it's fucking AWESOME that we have a Nobel-laureate level economist on this board to keep us all informed about what's really going on. And also, it's fucking GREAT because I don't watch Fox News, but I get to get their perspective anyway, and I really need that perspective, because, let's face it, my whole day feels better when I feel like the sky is falling, the world is ending, and everything is shit.
I've gotta remember... it's all bad, everything sucks, nothing is getting better, we are all fucked. Whew, that makes me feel so much happier.
You telling me you can read these two articles from today, and come up with a rational definitive answer as to how everything is going? Wow, you are, like, amazing, like that Mindfreak guy. But I already knew that, because your intellect has simply redefined the genre of bulletin board talk. Unparalleled.
Stocks Extend Rally on Jobs Report:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmT59dgLTTziX4p9X9MRBRpWZGdQD9I0HHD81
Unemployment rises in August:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-unemployment-rate-20100904,0,5340720.story
And another oh-by-the-way...
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/corporate-profits-near-pre-recession-peak/
Employers may not be hiring, but the money is there.
Obama's attitude has doomed us all...he must be impeached!!!!
Why am I not surprised that somehow, no matter how bad it looks for the ordinary dude, rich people are still making shitloads of money?
I take every opportunity to be a dick to those who act like a dick themselves....at every opportunity they get.
It just pains me to hear someone who lives in the great state of hope, California, which faces bankruptcy everyday and the highest unemployment rate in the country, live in a state of denial because of their obvious loyalty to the great one and the liberal agenda at all cost.
I like to live and talk about stuff from, well, a state of reality. I have no favorite, lib or conservative. I don't give a damn about a republican or a democrat. I give a damn about the results people produce. And I can tell you without any doubt in my mind that if a republican were President right now, you'd be bitching about him way worse than I do about Obama. So save all your sarcasm and talk down to someone who gives a fuck. Cause I pretty much don't.
I don't know everything or even close to it. But I would think someone with common sense and no loyalty to any fucking person in congress or the senate, and the desire to get rid of the old fucking has beens who rape the American public at every chance they get, that person could get a hell of a lot more done than this fucker in office right now that's spending money out the ass and has his head up the blame Bush pole so far he can't think about actually working on the problems we face today.
And by the way, if a republican were President right now, my bitching would be exactly the same. Word! ;)
Ahhh, I love you man! ;D
funny shit - hook is like all optimistc and then gets pesemistic.
;D
Read deeper.
Being optimistic doesn't mean you have to ignore the facts of the situation. To sit in dreamland and say the economy is getting better is just insane. That isn't optimistic. That's lying to yourself. We all know the shape of the economy. The media is making it worse by continually talking about it 24 hours a day from all angles on both sides. Enough already. That's all I'm saying. Lets talk about how to make it better. Lets point out bright spots. It's all bad news 24 7.
It also seems to me that cutting taxes is a better fix than spending. Obama's spending, I haven't seen any positive effects. Reagan cut taxes and the situation improved. Bush came into office during a recession and cut taxes with great success. I think he had around a 5.5% average unemployment rate during his eight years, or something like that. Of course Reagan got involved in the cold war shit and spent to much money, Bush started 2 wars and spent to much money on that and other things. Seems to me cutting taxes and spending in government for 2 years or so would be a decent option. Cut taxes long enough to get the economy moving and slowly raise them back up. Until our government quits spending money out the ass and stays the fuck out of everyone else's business, we'll never stop having problems. Most other big countries have stopped spending and are trying to deal with their deficits, Obama wants to continue spending and some say he hasn't spent enough. Insanity.
And why don't one of you tell me why spending money out the ass and having to borrow it to do it is a good thing. That's exactly part of why we're in the mess we are today. People bought houses they couldn't afford, were in way more debt than they could manage, and the housing market went to shit. Now we are trying to fix our economy by using this very same method. Sooner or later, that shits gonna catch up with us. Problem is, I can't find any real info on what might be the breaking point, as far as the debt is concerned. We are in new territory, in a bad way.
I don't think this is a democrat republican problem. It's the entire way our government functions. It's been abusing it's power so long that it's finally catching up with us. And I think Americans are more aware now of that than maybe any time before.
Congress and the senate all need to have term limits. I think we should have Presidential elections every 4 years and no limit on the amount of times your elected. these two things would probably go along way to helping the situation. Just a thought.
Charger
Oh yeah...I am gonna vote republican this go round, more than likely a majority will also. But come on, I'm really not that smart, but thanks anyway. ;D ;D
I didn't say you couldn't have opinions, your just wrong in your opinion of the economy, unfortunately.
Damn that Gov, it fucked everything up...REDUCE THE TAXES AGAIN, PRONTO!!!!
I don't think lower taxes is a fix to our problem overall, but it does seem to get the economy moving.
Deficit doesn't bother you any more then
Deficit is when the government spends more than they say they will. I'm guessing that even if the tax rates went up to 70%, the government would still find a way to spend it and maybe a bit more. You have to have taxing, but it should be for a few very specific areas like protection (armed forces, police, etc.), judicial, emergencies (disaster relief, some social programs) and infrastructure (roads, etc.). When taxes go up, then the government gets to spend the money and not the individual. Now, I'm not saying that the individual necessarily spends it wisely, but you know the government won't and the individual will soon lose motivation in making more money if he doesn't get to keep enough of it.
No - deficit is when the government
spends more than it takes in.
Sorry - 'tis what I meant. Doesn't change the rest though.
Just it hasn't anything to do with specifically with a government spending more than it says it will,
It is more usual that the government budget is relatively predictable - i.e. they spend roughly what they said,
But the thing that is less predictable is tax revenue - it is subject to economic conditions and tax policies.
tax revenues rise and fall with the economic cycle - this is ok if you run surpluses in good times and deficits in bad,
The real mismanagement starts and ends with the voter and their willingness to be bribed by politicians with unfunded tax cuts.
The theory that tax revenue rises with tax cuts is a lot of baloney
only in the extremes does that theory hold true,
to see how absurd it is as an argument - try cutting taxes to zero
The "booms" after unfunded tax cuts are because the gap is funded by deficit - governments borrow the money to give tax cuts.
it is just another way to borrow and give a fiscal stimulus.
If the tax cuts are funded with cuts in a balanced budget,
No artificial stimulus boom would materialise as spending elsewhere would be cut in gov, the overall effect would be neutral.
Then any economic effects would be purely down to the effects of low taxation alone.
But you have never seen that experiment in the US as Reagan and Bush tax cuts were funded by borrowing.
The real joke is that only argument here is what to use borrowed money for.
if any of these economic taxation theories had any truth then they should have lead to balanced budgets over economic cycles.
they haven't
The truth is people whine and moan about shit as they want their cake and eat it.
The US and the West generally has grown glutonous and stupid, politics and democracy has turned into a charade of making choices.
Choosing one lot of deficit spenders over another in an argument over how to spend borrowed money.
Sorry - but whining about the deficit and asking for tax cuts at the same time is a joke. ::)
more like - fuck the deficit, fill the punch bowl on the never never, it's time to party again.
Hookbender — Sep 03, 2010The economy is recovering. Holy shit. And just what are you basing this illusion on? ::) How well the housing market is doing?
Another example of the stupidity - how well is the housing market doing?
The dutch in the 17th century might have said - how well is the tulip market doing?
Housing is just a speculative bubble that has been running for decades on the same excess in borrowing and fantasy economics.
Usually when the price of things goes up - you will whine about it - gas is too expensive blah blah BS.
Why is house price inflation considered differently - it is that investment fantasy, making a buck for nothing.
intriniscally your house isn't worth any more than it was the day it was built.
no economic value has been added by bidding up it's value in the market on the back of borrowed money.
Your house isn't like a stock in a company where value is created and develops through graft and ideas.
it's price rise adds nothing of any real value.
It will be a good thing if the bottom falls out the housing market long term as it was only ever an inflated bubble with no economic foundation.
If you lived in a US where buying your ideal house cost a few months wages you would be in a better place economically.
Just like you can pick up tulip bulbs for a few dollars now :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
fingers — Sep 04, 2010The real mismanagement starts and ends with the voter and their willingness to be bribed by politicians with unfunded tax cuts.
The truth is people whine and moan about shit as they want their cake and eat it.
'Twas ever thus.
...and short memories rule:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
fingers — Sep 04, 2010Just it hasn't anything to do with specifically with a government spending more than it says it will,
Lynchings might?
My point is that the even if the people "do right," the Government will still find a way to overspend.
Hookbender — Sep 04, 2010I don't think this is a democrat republican problem. It's the entire way our government functions. It's been abusing it's power so long that it's finally catching up with us. And I think Americans are more aware now of that than maybe any time before.
Again you prove that you simply don't understand the problem.
It's not really the government...it's the companies, bankers, and plutocrats that OWN our government, and an American populace who is underinformed or simply not paying attention, so they keep voting in the same bought assholes. And let's not forget all the partisan gerrymandering that has happened in the states, especially by Republicans. It's OUR fault we let it happen, both because we're idiots, and because we let ourselves get fucked just so we stay employed (and the worst part is, we don't have a choice, because people seem to hate labor unions in this country). Since the Reagan era, we have created an America that doesn't believe government (or labor unions) can be beneficial, when it can if we take responsibility for it.
But we refuse to blame ourselves for this, which is irresponsible...but typical of the average American these days. "It's not my fault" should be our national motto now.
Of course, when it isn't "your" guy in charge, you don't feel a responsibility...but that's just as fucking stupid and selfish. We're all in this shit together.
Congress and the senate all need to have term limits. I think we should have Presidential elections every 4 years and no limit on the amount of times your elected. these two things would probably go along way to helping the situation. Just a thought.
A better thought would be better-funded regulation of the financial industry. Higher taxes on the very rich (it worked before...). Greed is good...for the rich. It sucks for 99% of the other people. So I say fuck those greedy fucks.
Or for governmental changes? No privacy when it comes to negotiation of business contracts with the government - FULL PUBLIC OVERSIGHT AND SUNSHINE ON ALL NON-SECURITY-RELATED FEDERAL DEALINGS (then maybe the media would do their fucking job for once). HEAVY RESTRICTIONS on lobbying, plus full public funding of elections to take the "I contribute, you pass my law" culture out of the picture and break the lock the GOP and Dems have on our government. Election Day as a national holiday so people stuck at work with shit bosses that don't let them off can vote.
So far, white middle-aged to old America is losing their shit about Obama, and most of them don't even really know what's going on. They see bad unemployment numbers and bad housing numbers and blame him. They refuse to blame the real people causing the problems: greedy companies and financial institutions protecting their precious balance sheets for the quarter instead of actually investing in America. And ourselves for letting it get this bad.
So fuck those assholes. And fuck you with a rusty railroad spike if you think that's okay or don't realize that is a MAJOR part of the problem.
Tripper
CraigBert — Sep 05, 2010[quote author=fingers link=1283378290/0#21 date=1283629099]Just it hasn't anything to do with specifically with a government spending more than it says it will,
Lynchings might?
My point is that the even if the people "do right," the Government will still find a way to overspend.
This deficit is down to the American voter and belongs to the tax payer - you ordered it.
Tripper — Sep 05, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1283378290/0#13 date=1283569860]I don't think this is a democrat republican problem. It's the entire way our government functions. It's been abusing it's power so long that it's finally catching up with us. And I think Americans are more aware now of that than maybe any time before.
Again you prove that you simply don't understand the problem.
It's not really the government...it's the companies, bankers, and plutocrats that OWN our government, and an American populace who is underinformed or simply not paying attention, so they keep voting in the same bought assholes. And let's not forget all the partisan gerrymandering that has happened in the states, especially by Republicans. It's OUR fault we let it happen, both because we're idiots, and because we let ourselves get fucked just so we stay employed (and the worst part is, we don't have a choice, because people seem to hate labor unions in this country). Since the Reagan era, we have created an America that doesn't believe government (or labor unions) can be beneficial, when it can if we take responsibility for it.
But we refuse to blame ourselves for this, which is irresponsible...but typical of the average American these days. "It's not my fault" should be our national motto now.
Of course, when it isn't "your" guy in charge, you don't feel a responsibility...but that's just as fucking stupid and selfish. We're all in this shit together.
Congress and the senate all need to have term limits. I think we should have Presidential elections every 4 years and no limit on the amount of times your elected. these two things would probably go along way to helping the situation. Just a thought.
A better thought would be better-funded regulation of the financial industry. Higher taxes on the very rich (it worked before...). Greed is good...for the rich. It sucks for 99% of the other people. So I say fuck those greedy fucks.
Or for governmental changes? No privacy when it comes to negotiation of business contracts with the government - FULL PUBLIC OVERSIGHT AND SUNSHINE ON ALL NON-SECURITY-RELATED FEDERAL DEALINGS (then maybe the media would do their fucking job for once). HEAVY RESTRICTIONS on lobbying, plus full public funding of elections to take the "I contribute, you pass my law" culture out of the picture and break the lock the GOP and Dems have on our government. Election Day as a national holiday so people stuck at work with shit bosses that don't let them off can vote.
So far, white middle-aged to old America is losing their shit about Obama, and most of them don't even really know what's going on. They see bad unemployment numbers and bad housing numbers and blame him. They refuse to blame the real people causing the problems: greedy companies and financial institutions protecting their precious balance sheets for the quarter instead of actually investing in America. And ourselves for letting it get this bad.
So fuck those assholes. And fuck you with a rusty railroad spike if you think that's okay or don't realize that is a MAJOR part of the problem.
Tripper
If the government can't be owned, then part of the problem is solved Trip. Thats exactly the problem I'm talking about. You just look at it from a protect the liberal stance view, verses my fuck them all view. government is still the problem. And, i understand that pretty well.
Nobody blames Obama for the mess we're in. They are pissed because he's done nothing effective to get us out of the mess. Bottom line. And if you think anger at Obama is purely aimed at the fact we're in a horrible position, then fuck you with a dull chainsaw blade from a cheap off brand Walmart bought saw not even Jason would use to fuck someone up with. Because your wrong.
"Sorry - but whining about the deficit and asking for tax cuts at the same time is a joke."
Fingers
Whats the difference? Spend money and create debt, or cut taxes and create debt? Same results. The difference is that long term tax cuts spur the economy and spending money, which the government has never been educated on or made good decisions on, doesn't seem to work.
If the government spends huge amounts of money, like we are now, they can never come close to cutting spending enough to take care of that spending. But if the government cuts taxes, the economy improves, people spend money, that increases revenue for the government, and they can pay for the cuts.....if they cut spending and spend the money they have to wisely. Their is a difference, IMO.
It may be a gamble either way. But I would go for the tax cuts at this point rather than spending money on companies that have a history of not being able to manage their finances, like GM and Chrysler. Oh, I mean spend money on useless temporary bullshit will have to do again and again.
Hookbender — Sep 04, 2010Read deeper.
It also seems to me that cutting taxes is a better fix than spending. Obama's spending, I haven't seen any positive effects.
Sorry, but it's quite clear to me that I have read deeper than you on this. Just because you are willing to be a conservative tool, that doesn't mean you are right. You are actually way wrong. No positive effects? Economy isn't improving? Sorry buddy, but whether you believe it is or isn't getting better just depends on whether you work for Fox News or not.
Reagan cut taxes and the situation improved. Bush came into office during a recession and cut taxes with great success. I think he had around a 5.5% average unemployment rate during his eight years, or something like that.
First of all, we weren't in recession when Bush came into office. Second, by cutting taxes Bush added $6 trillion to the deficit. Is that now an admirable thing? This is what I mean when I say you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You hate Obama for the measly amount he's added to the budget and yet you are fine with Bush adding the the lion's share of it, because he didn't actually institute any programs. He just cut taxes. And bought a lot of military hardware.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129052425&ps=cprs
interesting - kinda like what I was saying.
He also wrote this op-ed, which I already posted, and which Hooky claims to have read...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html
Show me where I claimed I read that.
"First of all, we weren't in recession when Bush came into office. Second, by cutting taxes Bush added $6 trillion to the deficit. Is that now an admirable thing? This is what I mean when I say you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You hate Obama for the measly amount he's added to the budget and yet you are fine with Bush adding the the lion's share of it, because he didn't actually institute any programs. He just cut taxes. And bought a lot of military hardware."
We were damn close to a recession and the economy was slowing way way down. Maybe you need to learn to read or quit taking what I say and putting your spin on it purposely. Maybe if you would read my post and not add your thoughts to them you would understand my point better. I don't hate Obama, we don't need any new programs in government so I see no fault in Bush for not adding to our burden as tax payers, I'm not O.K. with Bush adding to the deficit and have made that clear to you in previous post, I am O.K. with cutting taxes at least for a short term as long as government cuts spending at the same time for the same period, and just for the record I favor a strong military just not stupid shit wars.
And your view of Obama's spending is giving me much insight to how and why your state is in such bad shape. No fucking wonder. Jeez.
I have no clue what you are talking about. Do you actually think I have something to do with California's budget? Besides which, 46 states had budget shortfalls this year. 13 states had budget shortfalls WORSE, as a percentage of the budget, than California. Do you think that's California's problem too? Or those are all liberal states?
Your lack of understanding on this subject is staggering.
I suggest you read the article I have posted now, twice, and then maybe you can make a convincing argument for the wisdom of tax cuts.
Hookbender — Sep 05, 2010If the government can't be owned, then part of the problem is solved Trip. Thats exactly the problem I'm talking about. You just look at it from a protect the liberal stance view, verses my fuck them all view. government is still the problem. And, i understand that pretty well.
Government is NOT the problem. In and of itself, a government is not the problem. How government business is conducted, and the competence of government workers CAN BE a problem. And I said the same shit in the Bush years, because he was underfunding everything with his idiotic tax cuts and hiring people who were way more loyal than competent... Modern conservatives LIE when they say government is the problem...they LOVE government when it can provide money for things they care about, like no-bid security/military contracts, bank bailouts, and other forms of corporate welfare. They just don't like a government that tries to take care of most Americans. That's evident in history.
Nobody blames Obama for the mess we're in. They are pissed because he's done nothing effective to get us out of the mess. Bottom line.
BULL FUCKING SHIT. What a crock of crap. The memories of the idiots in opposition to Obama's economic efforts these days are so fucked up they think that TARP happened while he was President.
And if you think anger at Obama is purely aimed at the fact we're in a horrible position, then fuck you with a dull chainsaw blade from a cheap off brand Walmart bought saw not even Jason would use to fuck someone up with. Because your wrong.
Why would I? It's readily apparent that most of the anger at Obama arises from these places (often all at the same time):
1. That he's black.
2. That he's educated.
3. That he's from Illinois (and therefore "owned by the mob")
4. That he hates America.
5. White people are scared.
6. They think he's a fascist.
7. They think he's a communist.
8. They think he's a socialist.
9. That he's going to set up internment camps to imprison dissenters.
10. They think he's going to hand America's sovereignty over to some other entity.
11. They think he hates white people. (which would include half his family and half of himself)
12. That he's going to change the whole country.
13. That he's going to take their guns.
14. That he's not doing anything.
15. That he's doing way too much.
16. That he's stupid.
17. That he's an intellectual elitist.
18. That he's not a Christian.
19. That he's the wrong kind of Christian.
20. That he's a Muslim.
21. That he's an atheist.
22. Rush, Glenn, Sean, and all the right-wing hate-mongers have told them to be angry because of things they've claimed that are actually lies.
23. Because they don't know the facts...and don't care to know them.
You fit MANY of those categories, Hook. Especially that last one...
Tripper
Most of that stuff is what Fox news says. I doubt most people, a majority, think that way. I'm suprised at your level of speculation and stereotype bullshit. People want effective action, they want to see results. And all they see is money being spent with no results they can see. That's most of the anger. Not all that fox crap you listed.
The problem is, they think a republican is going to fix all the problems and history shows they are the problem with deficits. The good may be tax cuts that spur the economy. The bad is they know not when to stop spending.
I know enough facts to see the current problem. But no, I don't know enough about politics. I should learn more. And I am everyday. I don't come close to "the last". Sorry.
charger — Sep 06, 2010I have no clue what you are talking about. Do you actually think I have something to do with California's budget? Besides which, 46 states had budget shortfalls this year. 13 states had budget shortfalls WORSE, as a percentage of the budget, than California. Do you think that's California's problem too? Or those are all liberal states?
Your lack of understanding on this subject is staggering.
I suggest you read the article I have posted now, twice, and then maybe you can make a convincing argument for the wisdom of tax cuts.
Your lack of seeing reality is staggering.
Here's more reality for ya. Just fucking out of control.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/164/303/Obama_Wants_to_Spend_50_Billion_More_for_Another_Stimulus.html
Politics are the beard for the money/power grabbers...best to study the issues not the politics.
Hookbender — Sep 07, 2010Here's more reality for ya. Just fucking out of control.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/164/303/Obama_Wants_to_Spend_50_Billion_More_for_Another_Stimulus.html
That article is outta control and badly written...but defnee full o' politics.
Hookbender — Sep 07, 2010Here's more reality for ya. Just fucking out of control.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/164/303/Obama_Wants_to_Spend_50_Billion_More_for_Another_Stimulus.html
Your reality comes from Fox "crap"
It's from a Newt Gingrich site.
Jeeze! ::)
You just keep going further right...to the far far right.
Either that or you still don't check your sources.
See...when you look for articles that tickle your ears you gravitate to the far right.
Newt Gingrich is a political contributor for the FOX News Channel. ;D
Most of that stuff is what Fox news says. I doubt most people, a majority, think that way. I'm suprised at your level of speculation and stereotype bullshit.
Is it any wonder? You are the stereotype.
Go for it teabagger:
http://westernfrontamerica.com/2009/03/18/newt-gingrichs-american-solutions-tea-party/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/us/politics/07tax.html
I can just about guarantee that if it was a Republican proposing these tax cuts, Hook would love it.
By the way, I think it's a bad idea. I don't think any more tax cuts are needed anywhere.
On economic recovery...
Economy lost 2 million private sector jobs in the first quarter of 2008. 2 million! 4 million losses in 2008.
This year, so far, we have added 750,000 jobs in the private sector. Not lost, gained. Certainly we are not back to where we were. But if positive job growth and positive GDP growth, are not recovery, what is?
Hook:
Lets get a little optimistic, a little up beat.
Charger:
Well...things are improving. The economy is doing better.
Hook:
No it isn't it's horrible and
And obama is doing nothing about it. The world will come to an end soon...i'm scared and drunk.
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Hook:
let's talk about the bright spots. I'm a positive kinda guy.
Charger:
Ok.....we are adding jobs this year.
Hook:
that's garbage...your wrong. We are in hell.
Jus look at what Newt says. I'm scared.
Everybody:
We will make it...things will improve and they are.
Hook:
Your all a bunch of liberals.
Fox: we are in hell because of Obama.
Hook:
Lets get possitive.
.....i wonder when gas prices will spike again. I'm scared and stupid. Damn Obama. he spends too much.
Everybody:
Quit watching Fox and the like.
Hook:
Don't put a lable on me I'm not a repub or dem.
I beg for Palin,Beck,Newt,tea party,Reagan,Bush ect...i'm voting repub this year. Jus like i voted for Bush twice. I'd vote for Palin over Obama.
Obama is ruining us.
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Hook:
let's get fired up and positive.....I'm confused.
Charger:
You need to do some reading. Perhaps this will help Site address 63gwhskj3n
Hook:
I need to read more....I have little understanding. I'm going to do some research.
Binge:
Hows that research going?
Hook:
Fuck you Binge.
Let's get possitive.
....................And the circle continues.
muaaahahahahahaha! It's Hook in one act.
Hook:
government is still the problem
From since when??
Oh yeah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU
I don't care about the article. I care about Obama's spending. I'd rather see tax cuts with positive effects you can see rather than money spent on a few roads and shit. Our economy is in much more need than our roads and schools.
No wonder Stratman use to get on your nerves. I bet he really had a blast doing it. Holy shit. Never seen such serious liberals in my life. You dig so deep in the subject you can't see the problems in your face. The common sense problems.
So funny when Picky comes along and eats up the terd you guys drop. ;D ;D ;D ;D What the hell does from since when mean? ;D ;D ;D
Is your company laying off people to help the economy?