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Not yet. ;D
They did let go all part time help. They need to go to school anyway. ;D
This is a interesting article. I think it's a good start. For business....the tax breaks. Now he needs to focus on the people who are struggling. Thats who needs the breaks. Maybe one day.
50 billion on railways and fucking roads. No mention of schools here Picky.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_tax_breaks_impact
So 814 billion on stimulus, 7 billion on Pakistan, 26 billion on unions...I mean teachers, 50 billion on roads, See a problem here? I fucking do.
"The tax breaks won't be a game-changer," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics. "They won't turn the economy around or the jobs situation around in the next six months. But they should provide some help to the economy, especially in the second half of 2011."
Tax breaks from the chosen one. He's becoming a believer as well. I may end up kinda liking the dude again. Tax breaks helping the economy.....they didn't mention the 50 billion helping the economy. Hmmmm. I guess the 50 billion is just more money pissed away. But shit, it's so little compared to the debt we already have and the spending that's already been done....just ignore it. ;)
ANd the economy is looking so great, we may hit 10% unemployment soon. That's a definite sign of recovery. I'm fired up about it myself. :o
Are there tax cuts in the stimulus?
How much did your taxes go up last year?
10% unemployement would be an improvement around here... :-/
It's been a long time since my taxes went up.
I don't care about the article
Then why did you post it?
So I'm going to assume you like the last one you posted.
Notice the heading:
Obama's tax-break plan is seen as no quick cure.
There is no quick cure.
Here are a few eye catching quotes;
suggested that the tax incentives wouldn't deliver much of a boost to major utilities.
the tax breaks, if enacted, might create tens of thousands of jobs late next year.
the tax breaks would boost economic growth only negligibly, some economists say
So when Bush or any other conservative Palin,Newt ect. says they want lower taxes and that they spur the ecomnomy remember that they won't do much for major utilities and will only negligibly help.
Maybe help a store spruce up a little.
Maybe create some jobs next year.
So why do repubs/you want tax decreases?? Who does it help?
Let's say we send out a check to people.....let them spend more of the money they earned.
Oh Bush did that...Did it help? no not really.
I'd rather see tax cuts with positive effects you can see
And what kind of tax breaks would that be?
BINGEWOOD — Sep 08, 2010Is your company laying off people to help the economy?
The owners aren't hurting a bit. Lavish vacations...fancy cars and houses. ;D
They need more tax breaks.....then they could hire more people.
Now he needs to focus on the people who are struggling. Thats who needs the breaks. Maybe one day.
Like people in the ghettos,the homeless,people who don't have jobs ect.?
I guess this is supposed to be looking at the bright spots? ;D
Are you helping the news networks to be more positive?
Why don't you be a little upbeat before you cause the economy to be worse.
BTW Obama spent 4.35 bil on schools.
Hookbender — Sep 08, 2010This is a interesting article. I think it's a good start. For business....the tax breaks. Now he needs to focus on the people who are struggling. Thats who needs the breaks. Maybe one day.
50 billion on railways and fucking roads. No mention of schools here Picky.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_tax_breaks_impact
So 814 billion on stimulus, 7 billion on Pakistan, 26 billion on unions...I mean teachers, 50 billion on roads, See a problem here? I fucking do.
"The tax breaks won't be a game-changer," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics. "They won't turn the economy around or the jobs situation around in the next six months. But they should provide some help to the economy, especially in the second half of 2011."
Tax breaks from the chosen one. He's becoming a believer as well. I may end up kinda liking the dude again. Tax breaks helping the economy.....they didn't mention the 50 billion helping the economy. Hmmmm. I guess the 50 billion is just more money pissed away. But shit, it's so little compared to the debt we already have and the spending that's already been done....just ignore it. ;)
ANd the economy is looking so great, we may hit 10% unemployment soon. That's a definite sign of recovery. I'm fired up about it myself. :o
Would you be positive if the economy looked like this, and McCain was president?
Tax cuts are a bridge to nowhere. People and businesses come to rely on them, then everyone reacts negatively when they go away. Look at the current situation... everyone crying about the deficit, and in the same breath, crying about how Bush's tax cuts are going to go away. You can't fix one and keep the other.
I think Obama is pulling a brilliant move here... exposing Republicans for the do-nothing fucks they are. These are people who never met a tax break they didn't like. And yet, because Obama has proposed it, you are seeing them all attack him. Boehner even said something like, "on the surface, these are not bad proposals." Yet, he's going to fight them, because they come from Obama. That's what you are voting for--people who would rather go against their own philosophy then support a president they hate.
Sounds pretty smart.
Another terd dropping bites the dust.
Maybe you need to re-read the article Terd breath. These are tax breaks for business. Not people in general. And Obama has been President for 2 years now. He didn't just become President yesterday. And who says these tax breaks couldn't be better organized, or thought out more, or more period so it would help quicker. The point is, they help. I haven't seen help, positive effects, of Obama's spending. In fact, things are getting worse. The unemployment rate is predicted to get worse. The housing market sucks and may even get worse. Nothing is improving and Obama's threat is don't hand the keys over to the one's who got you here. No one is suggesting that be done. People want the keys in someone's hand who can make better decisions and produce positive effects to turn this thing around. We don't give a fuck about better runways for rich people to land their planes on, or need better roads particularly right now, that's bullshit spending. A complete waist of money.
We can predict that tax cuts will help the economy. Dig it? We can't predict shit with Obama's bullshit spending.
pickmaster60 — Sep 08, 2010[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1283378290/25#49 date=1283909192]Is your company laying off people to help the economy?
The owners aren't hurting a bit. Lavish vacations...fancy cars and houses. ;D
They need more tax breaks.....then they could hire more people.
How the fuck do you know what owners of businesses are doing?
Terdbreath? Keep sucking that right wing cock, it's doing wonders for yer breath!
charger — Sep 08, 2010Would you be positive if the economy looked like this, and McCain was president?
Tax cuts are a bridge to nowhere. People and businesses come to rely on them, then everyone reacts negatively when they go away. Look at the current situation... everyone crying about the deficit, and in the same breath, crying about how Bush's tax cuts are going to go away. You can't fix one and keep the other.
I think Obama is pulling a brilliant move here... exposing Republicans for the do-nothing fucks they are. These are people who never met a tax break they didn't like. And yet, because Obama has proposed it, you are seeing them all attack him. Boehner even said something like, "on the surface, these are not bad proposals." Yet, he's going to fight them, because they come from Obama. That's what you are voting for--people who would rather go against their own philosophy then support a president they hate.
Sounds pretty smart.
Obama's only exposing Bush. He hasn't been smart enough to connect Republicans to the mess. Apparently tax cuts are the only predictable method of improving the economy. Far from a bridge to nowhere. They are the only known and predictable medicine for the problem. I don't really care about that one republican.
And, I'd be pissed at any President if he were doing what Obama is doing. But your attempting to speculate again about the opposition. Obama is President. Not Bush. Not McCain. Obama.
BINGEWOOD — Sep 08, 2010Terdbreath? Keep sucking that right wing cock, it's doing wonders for yer breath!
Not nearly as much as it's doing for Picks breath as he's eating shit. :D Are you a shit eater too? :D Nevermind, the smell is coming through my screen.
What are you talking about Randy?
Did the Bush tax cuts lead to a good economy?
Tax cuts don't produce demand for business to expand. Businesses don't hire unless there is demand for their product/service. People don't buy who have dug themselves into easy credit holes, they try to pay off their debt. People who are working aren't spending they are saving. We have been living in a consumer obsessed society that is having to pay the tab its run up.
You wanna help the economy, go buy things locally.
pickmaster60 — Sep 09, 2010What are you talking about Randy?
He's not talking, it's just far right urethral lips echoing from his throat hole. All the way down his throat at that.
Hookbender — Sep 08, 2010Obama's only exposing Bush. He hasn't been smart enough to connect Republicans to the mess.
Or you've been dumb enough to separate the two....can't blame you though, pubs/right wingers have worked their asses off making that "separation" seem real since the campaigns while Bush was still in power. They loved and supported him until just before no matter how much denial it took.
Too bad they haven't done any work at all since the election...
...but short memories rule and I LOVE BABIES!!!!
Apparently tax cuts are the only predictable method of improving the economy. Far from a bridge to nowhere. They are the only known and predictable medicine for the problem.
If your a republican.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1692027,00.html
But I guess you are smarter than PHD economists.
Or a democrat. The love for Obama is spreading. Much for the same reasons as I've pointed out. His shit ain't workin.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy_worried_voters
"Yet now, as in struggling cities across the country, some independents and conservative Democrats particularly white men who supported Obama before say they no longer believe Obama and the Democratic Congress can help them."
Trendy is the new poser...you know a thing or two about that.
Or a democrat. The love for Obama is spreading. Much for the same reasons as I've pointed out. His shit ain't workin.
No the heading said some.
Besides that guy ain't no Phd.
Nothing is going to work fast Hook.
No magic wand to make it better.
True 'dat.
It took time to get us here, it will take time to get us out.
So you take your terd from Obama I see. Echo the chosen ones famous words.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100909/bs_nm/us_economy_competitiveness
Hookbender — Sep 09, 2010So you take your terd from Obama I see. Echo the chosen ones famous words.
Heh heh. You feel so bad about voting for that cat. It's ok it wasn't your fault.
pickmaster60 — Sep 09, 2010Or a democrat. The love for Obama is spreading. Much for the same reasons as I've pointed out. His shit ain't workin.
No the heading said some.
Besides that guy ain't no Phd.
Your not either. binge damn sure isn't. And Chargers just a liberal. Yet your feeding each and everyday from their dropped fecal matter.
Here's a little scoop on the poop you eat.
http://www.heptune.com/poop.html#Photo%20Gallery
BINGEWOOD — Sep 09, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1283378290/75#79 date=1284024273]So you take your terd from Obama I see. Echo the chosen ones famous words.
Heh heh. You feel so bad about voting for that cat. It's ok it wasn't your fault.
No, I don't feel bad for voting for him. I feel bad because of his actions and the fact their wasn't a better choice. I actually had great hope that at least some "change" would take place.
Hookbender — Sep 09, 2010 binge damn sure isn't.
hahahahaha...agreed!
Hookbender — Sep 09, 2010No, I don't feel bad for voting for him. I feel bad because of his actions and the fact their wasn't a better choice. I actually had great hope that at least some "change" would take place.
Bammer ran on a more liberal platform than he has been able to enact.
Hookbender — Sep 09, 2010[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1283378290/75#76 date=1283994603]Or a democrat. The love for Obama is spreading. Much for the same reasons as I've pointed out. His shit ain't workin.
No the heading said some.
Besides that guy ain't no Phd.
Your not either. binge damn sure isn't. And Chargers just a liberal. Yet your feeding each and everyday from their dropped fecal matter.
Here's a little scoop on the poop you eat.
http://www.heptune.com/poop.html#Photo%20Gallery
I know I'm not....The article I posted was Bush's own economic advisors(Phd's) saying his tax cuts didn't pay for themselves.
Your posting about some disgruntled white guy in a hard hit area.
Maybe you need to re-read the article Terd breath. These are tax breaks for business. Not people in general.
No duh!
And Obama has been President for 2 years now. He didn't just become President yesterday.
You can add 1plus 1. Good job!
And who says these tax breaks couldn't be better organized, or thought out more, or more period so it would help quicker
I don't know... who?
The point is, they help
Not very much according to article you posted. But who do they help? Half of people pay no income tax.
I haven't seen help, positive effects, of Obama's spending
Things could be much worse without.
In fact, things are getting worse
You keep repeating that...got anything positive to say
Nothing is improving and Obama's threat is don't hand the keys over to the one's who got you here. No one is suggesting that be done.
Yep the repukes are..that's why he is saying that.
We don't give a fuck about better runways for rich people to land their planes on, or need better roads particularly right now, that's bullshit spending. A complete waist of money.
Who is "we"??.... stratman thing I guess. He always said we like he represented all of America except libs.
Hook.....you would be much better off if you only had a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI.
Anyway...obama wins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP48wvxgrrI&feature=related
You honestly haven 't seen "change"? Than why the hell are you complaining so much? Seems to me Obama changed plenty from the previous administration.
Tax cuts are a proven loser.
Business tax cuts for capital investments are even worse.
Basically, they are designed to help business owners pay for large capital outlays... what is a large capital outlay? Is it a new worker? No. It's mechanized equipment that will replace workers. Tax breaks for large capital outlays will actually REDUCE employment--permanently. The only reason Obama has proposed this tax cut is political. He wants the Republicans to dance all over themselves trying to shoot down something they have supported every year for the last ten. Then, he will turn it into minor political capital when they reject it... "I proposed this tax break, but the Republicans just want to do nothing." And if they shoot down this tax break, then it's going to be a lot easier to push on non-renewal of the Bush tax cuts.
If you really want to reduce the deficit (and by the way, it actually sounds like you don't)--tax cuts have to go. Taxes have to go up. Bottom line is that there is no way to get from 10% unemployment to 5% unemployment as fast as you want to. 2 years is a microsecond on the scale of this economic catastrophe.
The irony of all this is that the Bush tax cuts have been around for 8 years now, and yet, we had a major economic meltdown. I'm not sure where you heard that tax cuts are the only way to get out of economic doom, but I noticed you didn't post any articles backing that up. Because there are none. That's actually probably the most ludicrous argument you have ever made. Are all tose unemployed people needing tax breaks? Your logic is totally missing. On the other hand, when Obama proposes infrastructure projects... which will actually create jobs... you think that WON'T help? I'd rather pay $50 billion on creating new jobs than $50 billion on giving money back to people who already have them. If I have to choose one, that seems like an obvious choice.
It seems like you are concerned about the economy. It's recovering.
You are concerned about jobs. But you don't want to create any.
You are concerned about the deficit. But you don't want to reverse the one factor that has added the most to the deficit in the last ten years.
Perfect.
Oh shit. Beware hook, this article contains the phrase "more good news for the US economy. And we all know that means it must be a pack of lies.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=546629&ven=yahoo
Hook...I know you won't actually read anything enough to comprehend,but just try and read this article from last year. your a Reagan and Bush fan tax cut fool. Check out this supply sider repub.
http://moremoney.blogs.money.cnn.com/2009/10/22/tax-cuts-and-medicare-could-kill-the-economy/
I know it's hard to think but:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/why-obama2019s-2018tax-cuts2019-won2019t-work
This one has a fucking graph on it:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=165
Only half a page instead of a whole one:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0120-06.htm
To give you an idea....A little longer and harder to read,but don't get scared:
http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/Economic_Stimulus_House_Plan_012109.pdf
From, your first article, Pick...
DF: Of course, nobody pounded tax cuts quite as hard as George W. Bush.
BB: He got it all wrong. A critical point about supply side economics that's gotten lost over the years is that it's not tax cuts per se that are good for the economy. Rather, it's cuts in the marginal tax rate, the tax on each additional dollar you earn, that matter, because what you want to do is to increase the incentive to earn additional income.
So tax cuts that don't affect incentives are essentially worthless. They're just giveaways of money. A a huge percentage of Bush's tax cuts in were for child credits and tax rebates, not reducing tax rates. And all of Bush's tax cuts had an expiration date on them. Supply-siders argue that temporary tax cuts don't do any good because it takes people time to change their behavior.
A lot of conservatives today still don't get it right. They think that any tax cut is better than government spending. but a lot of tax cuts today essentially are government spending: We're just mailing out checks and calling them tax refunds.
DF: You've recently been quite critical of what you call the GOP's misplaced rage.
BB: What they've done is to take all of Bush's mistakes and blame them on Obama. Conservatives look at the deficit, and they somehow or other convince themselves that it would have been zero if McCain had won. Now, the Congressional Budget Office projected a deficit for this year of $1.2 trillion. They projected this in January, before Obama took the oath of office. They've since raised the estimate to $1.6 trillion. If you want to blame Obama for that $400 billion, that's fine, but if you go through the CBO's accounting, the bulk of it is because the economy has been even worse than they thought it was going to be in January, and that reduces tax revenues and increases spending automatically.
And what has John McCain said since election day that would lead you to believe that he has better ideas about what we should be doing? He's been pretty quiet, if you ask me.
Now, the Congressional Budget Office projected a deficit for this year of $1.2 trillion. They projected this in January, before Obama took the oath of office. They've since raised the estimate to $1.6 trillion. If you want to blame Obama for that $400 billion, that's fine, but if you go through the CBO's accounting, the bulk of it is because the economy has been even worse than they thought it was going to be in January, and that reduces tax revenues and increases spending automatically
Wake up... open your eyes Hook.
They are open. 1.6 trillion dollars??? Oh, that's just dandy. Lets go build some runways and a few roads. Everything is just fine. Why worry about trying to better our predictions? Fuck it. Cut back on spending? Nahh. fuck that. Lets give Pakistan 7 billion. We are right in line with our wonderful predictions. In fact, I think we need to spend spend spend. Lets predict spend for next year to be 74 trillion. I'm board. This is fun.
After you finish sucking the tit of stupidity, have a protein shake.
"BB: He got it all wrong. A critical point about supply side economics that's gotten lost over the years is that it's not tax cuts per se that are good for the economy. Rather, it's cuts in the marginal tax rate, the tax on each additional dollar you earn, that matter, because what you want to do is to increase the incentive to earn additional income."
OK. Lets do this.
I don't think conservatives are blaming Obama for Bush's mistakes. Conservatives, as well as people in general.....democrats included, are just wanting to see signs of improvement from Obama's attempt to fix Bush's mistakes. They aren't seeing any real positive benefits to Obama's spending. Has nothing to do with McCain. IMO. Doesn't really even have to do with republicans or democrats and evidence of this is Obama's declining poll numbers. Obama's had 2 years of spending, 1 year of dealing with healthcare and ignoring the economy. That 1 year of fucking with healthcare, I think, is going to be very costly.
2 years of spending and basically no results. Just speculation of how much worse the economy would have been if we didn't spend the money. Now, shit loads of economic people were suggesting that had to be done, so it's really not all his fault he spent that money, but it's time to try something different. If that means spend money plus tax cuts, or whatever, then we need to try it. We need to do everything we can to get money flowing again. That doesn't mean our only option is to spend 50 billion dollars on runways and roads. It doesn't mean we need to give Pakistan 7 billion. It doesn't mean we need to bailout teachers unions. It doesn't mean we need to purchase failing companies. It doesn't mean we need to fix healthcare. None of these things are fixes to our economy. They are spending projects. A waste of money you and I will have to eventually pay back.
Our taxes shouldn't go up because government doesn't manage the revenue it receives well. I don't want my taxes to go up because Obama and company "think" they need to fix runways when the economy is in a tailspin. That isn't gonna fix anything but runways.
That's now why our taxes need to go up. They need to go up because they went down when they should not have.
I am going to continue to contest your argument that Obama has done nothing that helped the economy. I think that things would have been a lot worse. However, there is no way to prove that, and you can believe whatever right-wing crap you want to. But what I don't get is how you read all these articles and still come away with nothing from them, at all.
It's very simple Charger. You can complicate if you like and make it seem like a real difficult problem. Or, you can dumb it down with simple business 101.
Deficit comes from government spending more than it takes in. Deficit is increased by overspending, as we are now, or tax cuts, as Bush did. If we're gonna have a deficit no matter what, I'd like to get the most for my money. I'd like the quickest spark to ignite the economy. My opinion on tax cuts may very well be dead wrong, but that's really not the point. And I understand the incentives part and that's great, lets try it. My problem is 2 years and counting of spending with very little positive results, if any.
I don't have a problem with liberals. I don't have a problem with Obama. But I do have a problem with continued spending with poor results and predictions by some that things will even get worse.
I don't accept the load of crap that it took a while to get into this mess and it will take a while to get out of it. That's a excuse to continue to do what isn't working in hopes of a different result. You can guarantee yourself higher taxes if this continues. In fact higher taxes are coming no matter what we do. So why not try something different? Where's the change that continues the hope for better days?
Man I know you feel the same frustration of bullshit spending like this 50 billion on roads and runways. How can you not? It just makes no sense at all. And the economy was way more an important problem than healthcare the year Obama was messing with that. Typical slow government action on the oil spill. Man, if we had another Katrina type problem right now, it would be just as fucked up as before.
I don't have a problem with the idea that we need to spend money to help people in need. No problem at all with programs to help these people. But I do have a problem with spending money with no one to answer to, for at least the time to the next election. Spending money to help roads look better, runways look better....that's just bullshit. Fuck Pakistan. Fuck Israel. We have given, at least for now, all we can give. And until we get our own shit straight, which will enable us to continue that in the future if need be, we're just digging ourselves a deeper hole full of high taxes and a fucked up economy, or at least more unwanted debt.
The bottom line is people want to see results, good results and good decisions to get those results. And, they want to see effort and honesty. If an idea isn't working, just say so, try another method to fix the mess, and move on. Why is it so damn hard to do that in government? Thats why people lose confidence in government is because they bullshit around the truth or just ignore it. No one blames Obama for our mess. that's a lie. People question his ideas and efforts to get us out of the mess. They are angry because they see 0 results from all his spending projects. I don't blame them. I'm frustrated as well.
When America's economy is in the shitter, and we have real serious problems like we do, and you still have fuckers in government adding pork bullshit to the stimulus pkg and that's the only way to get it passed...is a sign our government is way corrupt and a huge, huge, part of the overall problem. Regardless of what Tripper says. Or, anyone else for that matter.
Hookbender — Sep 12, 2010 Deficit comes from government spending more than it takes in. Deficit is increased by overspending, as we are now, or tax cuts, as Bush did.
Just a clarification. Your first sentence is correct, but deficits are NOT increased by tax cuts like you say at the end of your second sentence. Deficits have nothing directly to do with tax increases or decreases. You could just as easily have a larger deficit
after a tax increase if the Government still spends more than they receive.
You already know my basic stance on taxing in general (that the people should be allowed to spend most of their own money), but I'm willing to bet that even if taxes go up that the Government still won't apply the extra to reduce the deficit - they'll just have more to spend and will. Then the public will be just that much more screwed.