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Hook...have you been listning to Neil Boortz again??

A little more from the other side.




Piece of an article from last year.....


Yet that same poll, conducted for the Economic Policy Institute, showed that most Americans would support the only action that might relieve the lingering pain of recession: more and faster spending.

The conventional viewpoint—repeated incessantly on talk radio and cable television and in newspaper columns, as well by politicians of both parties—is that the country cannot afford to further increase the public deficit. According to those savants, the stimulus package passed last winter spent too much and achieved too little; the deficit and debt are just too high; and there is simply nothing more that can be done except to wait for jobs to return sometime next year—or the year after that, or maybe someday in the distant future.

Among the respondents to the Hart poll, however, 53 percent named unemployment as the nation’s most serious economic problem, with only 27 percent saying that the most serious problem is the federal budget deficit. The poll found that support for a continuing policy of public investment in job creation, energy independence and improved education is even more emphatic. Fully 73 percent believe that investment should be the first priority, and only 24 percent said that cutting government spending should take precedence.

In short, public spending in bad times is good politics.

More recently:


http://www.gallup.com/poll/140786/americans-back-stimulus-spending-create-jobs.aspx

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/07/06/spending_public_opinion

Who are "we" Hook?

We don't give a fuck about better runways for rich people to land their planes on, or need better roads particularly right now, that's bullshit spending. A complete waist of money.

So, what's the point of that article terd eater?

You are saying "We" like your opinion is that of America and yet most people 73- 60% favor more public spending.

We actually want it...and we are getting it.  We NEED it.

OK captain edit, what's the point of the two articles?

Hookbender — Sep 12, 2010OK captain edit, what's the point of the two articles?

Hell..I picked a sunday morning when nobody was here so I could edit to my hearts content.

pickmaster60 — Sep 12, 2010You are saying "We" like your opinion is that of America and yet most people 60% favor more public spending.

We actually want it...and we are getting it.  We NEED it.

Well, if you read my post, I want the economy fixed as quick as possible. And the point to my last couple of post is to try something different. That very well could include anything that will fix the economy. Including spending money on things that will improve the economy. But spending money on a runway, giving money to Pakistan, fucking with healthcare, bailing out teachers UNIONS....that doesn't improve the economy. I don't agree with what the money is being spent on. I don't think sending 7 billion dollars to Pakistan is gonna improve the economy. I don't think what they did with healthcare is gonna improve the economy, now or later.

Maybe "we" was the wrong term to use. I should have used "all". ;)

pickmaster60 — Sep 12, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1283378290/100#105 date=1284296981]OK captain edit, what's the point of the two articles?

Hell..I picked a sunday morning when nobody was here so I could edit to my hearts content.

You should edit the droppings your picking up.

Hookbender — Sep 12, 2010[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1283378290/100#104 date=1284296959]You are saying "We" like your opinion is that of America and yet most people 60% favor more public spending.

We actually want it...and we are getting it.  We NEED it.

Well, if you read my post, I want the economy fixed as quick as possible. And the point to my last couple of post is to try something different. That very well could include anything that will fix the economy. Including spending money on things that will improve the economy. But spending money on a runway, giving money to Pakistan, fucking with healthcare, bailing out teachers UNIONS....that doesn't improve the economy. I don't agree with what the money is being spent on. I don't think sending 7 billion dollars to Pakistan is gonna improve the economy. I don't think what they did with healthcare is gonna improve the economy, now or later.

Maybe "we" was the wrong term to use. I should have used "all". ;)



You want instant gratification..understandable.

But that's not the way it works.

If you think you have better ideas than Obama and his staff....why don't you write up a better plan and send it to him.

...........Now you can resume your Boortz love affair.  

To quote your quote:

"It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

How true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-weisbrot/public-spending-still-key_b_413060.html

Hook 3/9/10:

Well, I've been back and forth on this issue and have finally decided to support it, or at least be in favor of it.  

After listening to both sides for, it seems like years, I think we need this to pass if we ever expect to curb the insurance companies rise in rates and dropping people for whatever reasons. And it will probably be decades before this ever hits the table again if it's not passed.

I've heard that  argument that only 30 million people are without insurance and that is a very small percentage. Well, who gives a shit about the percentage? 30 million people without insurance that could be insured by this passing? That's a fucking shit load of people.  

I'm for it, I say get it done and move the fuck on. Obama has been patient long enough. I commend him for that. And, I agree with him, we need to vote and pass this thing. Or they do.

Hook today:

......fucking with healthcare,................that doesn't improve the economy. I don't agree with what the money is being spent on............. I don't think what they did with healthcare is gonna improve the economy, now or later.

Make up your mind and stop  talking outa both sides of your mouth :-/

troll

Hooks answer:

Let me say something substantial.......turd droppings

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On aid to other countries:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/20109/

Ya self serving bastard. ;D

giving money to Pakistan

Plenty of countries are giving to Pakistan as I've shown before.Countries that are in worse condition than us.

If we did the kinds of things you want to do we would be in really sad shape.

pickmaster60 — Sep 12, 2010You are saying "We" like your opinion is that of America and yet most people 73- 60% favor more public spending.

We actually want it...and we are getting it.  We NEED it.

Where did you find that 60-73% figure???  :-?

Ehhh....from the two articles I posted.

One poll was taken a year ago and another here recenly.

CraigBert — Sep 12, 2010[quote author=Hookbender link=1283378290/75#98 date=1284263353] Deficit comes from government spending more than it takes in. Deficit is increased by overspending, as we are now, or tax cuts, as Bush did.  

Just a clarification.  Your first sentence is correct, but deficits are NOT increased by tax cuts like you say at the end of your second sentence.  Deficits have nothing directly to do with tax increases or decreases.  You could just as easily have a larger deficit after a tax increase if the Government still spends more than they receive.



That is obfuscation not clarification.
It's as logical as the following.

Deficits are NOT increased by spending rises.  Deficits have nothing directly to do with spending increases or decreases.  You could just as easily have a larger deficit after a spending decrease if the Government still taxes less than they spend.


Again - the only difference is how to spend borrowed money.

Spending money to help roads look better, runways look better....that's just bullshit.

Man I know you feel the same frustration of bullshit spending like this 50 billion on roads and runways. How can you not? It just makes no sense at all.

We don't give a fuck about better runways for rich people to land their planes on, or need better roads particularly right now, that's bullshit spending. A complete waist of money.

I'm not sure how much more ignorant you can get.

It's not to make roads and runway's "look" better. You obviously know nothing about roads or our runways.
They wear out and many of our state and  county roads were not built for the heavy kinds of traffic they see during harvest seasons plus tractor and tractor trailors traffic they see .

Check into it dorkus. We have horrible  infrastructure problems.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/699/look-out-below

Plus it gives jobs.

BTW plenty(most) of people who are not rich ride airplanes.

Do you read about anything we talk about here?....anything your talking about?

Looks like you just spout repub crap about anything and everything.

You need to reboot your critical thinking skills. It was a pretty small program anyway.

more:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-likosky/an-infrastructure-bank-re_b_713505.html

pickmaster60 — Sep 12, 2010Hook 3/9/10:

Well, I've been back and forth on this issue and have finally decided to support it, or at least be in favor of it.  

After listening to both sides for, it seems like years, I think we need this to pass if we ever expect to curb the insurance companies rise in rates and dropping people for whatever reasons. And it will probably be decades before this ever hits the table again if it's not passed.

I've heard that  argument that only 30 million people are without insurance and that is a very small percentage. Well, who gives a shit about the percentage? 30 million people without insurance that could be insured by this passing? That's a fucking shit load of people.  

I'm for it, I say get it done and move the fuck on. Obama has been patient long enough. I commend him for that. And, I agree with him, we need to vote and pass this thing. Or they do.

Hook today:

......fucking with healthcare,................that doesn't improve the economy. I don't agree with what the money is being spent on............. I don't think what they did with healthcare is gonna improve the economy, now or later.

Make up your mind and stop  talking outa both sides of your mouth :-/

troll

I feel the same way today terd eater. Healthcare, in the way it reads, isn't gonna improve the economy. We need to do something with healthcare, just not now. I guess if we're gonna spend a shit load of money, we might as well have a guarantee that some of it actually helps people. The bacteria in what you are eating seems to have a strange effect on your brain.

pickmaster60 — Sep 13, 2010Spending money to help roads look better, runways look better....that's just bullshit.

Man I know you feel the same frustration of bullshit spending like this 50 billion on roads and runways. How can you not? It just makes no sense at all.

We don't give a fuck about better runways for rich people to land their planes on, or need better roads particularly right now, that's bullshit spending. A complete waist of money.

I'm not sure how much more ignorant you can get.

It's not to make roads and runway's "look" better. You obviously know nothing about roads or our runways.
They wear out and many of our state and  county roads were not built for the heavy kinds of traffic they see during harvest seasons plus tractor and tractor trailors traffic they see .

Check into it dorkus. We have horrible  infrastructure problems.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/699/look-out-below

Plus it gives jobs.

BTW plenty(most) of people who are not rich ride airplanes.

Do you read about anything we talk about here?....anything your talking about?

Looks like you just spout repub crap about anything and everything.

You need to reboot your critical thinking skills. It was a pretty small program anyway.

more:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-likosky/an-infrastructure-bank-re_b_713505.html




Now this one had tears in my eyes. Funny as hell.  ;D

Charger is saying the economy is doing great and defending Obama from a state that is in absolute ruin, and Pick defends bettering roads because of heavy tractor traffic from his redneck soy bean growing ass hick town in Alabama. Classic. Absolutely the funniest shit I've ever read. ;D ;D ;D ;D

See if you can answer this one, then, Hook.

Which costs less. Treating a serious disease early, or late?

Ahhhh, Spongebob, anwer that please. :D

C'mon charge, you know Kochspoon doesn't answer questions.

Oh look! A complete sentence.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Waddda maroon!

Ditto.

You agree in a Rush way...schweet!

Before I continue, do you look, in real life, like that picture? ;D

No I'm a fat and ugly but I have a smile on my face.

I don't think I have to ask if you look like yerz...

It's not a hard question, Hook. Which costs more, treating a serious disease early, or late in its progress.

BINGEWOOD — Sep 14, 2010No I'm a fat and ugly but I have a smile on my face.

I don't think I have to ask if you look like yerz...

You'd be surprised, I'm sure. ;D

charger — Sep 14, 2010It's not a hard question, Hook. Which costs more, treating a serious disease early, or late in its progress.

OK, I'll bite, early.

It doesn't look like there will be any reasonable discourse from Hook.

He seems to have fallen off the fence and hit hard on his right.

pickmaster60 — Sep 14, 2010It doesn't look like there will be any reasonable discourse from Hook.

He seems to have fallen off the fence and hit hard on his right.

Any evidence of that?

yes

Lets see it Spongebob.

Well.....outside of the obvious contridictons......The three most vocal,steady,thoughtfull,logical,educated people here seem to agree with my ascertations about it.

Plus Binge who is no dubmass.

There is no doubt that tripper ,charger,and fingers,Binge(even me)have read about,thought about,searched,underrstand, any of these subjects well beyond what you understand.

Nearly all argumention on this forum is toward your ignorace on just about every subject.

Sorry.....your the stratman replacement.

Why is that?

Because you flap in the wind and are all over the board.

With the great exspance of internet info you sound like all you listen to is Fox,Boortz.ect.


In the end nothing persuades you to think critically or to challege your political beliefs and that shows. That's why your trendy.

Nothing personal just observation. :)

It's no fun without you.

Killer.

And my observation of you is that you waist your time posting on any subject . All you had to say is I agree with Charger. No need to add articles and countless hours on your part to transfer that data. Just say I agree with Charger.

Don't act like the all knowing one when you only advance the normal liberal thought process. Not knocking it, but you, yourself, don't really think do you? Not for yourself. You take the majorities side of the argumet here and add to what "real" liberals think in order to stay on the winning team. Man you don't know shit. You think you do because you read a few articles.

And what do you know about Stratman? Do you realize how much he laughed at you as you jumped on the Charger boat etc and became the fish instead of the fisherman?

You use to be part of the wise men, or whatever you call that. You were a tool in the tool box dude. And, you still are.

The policies of Obama are making things worse and you argue to defend him because your little mountain goat town is still looking the same.

Same with Charger. As long as things are good for him, he'll defend the liberal side to the grave.

Your making accusations out the ass and talking a lot of bullshit, yet you refuse to try to show, or offer, any examples to prove your point. If you have no real point to you accusations, fuck you.

In fact, I'll just make this my last response to anything you post and consider your thoughts to be the same as Chargers...and you have nothing to add the conversation except that you agree with the winning team. Wow, interesting reading that is. ;D

I didn't say anyone was dumb. Are you absorbing any of this Spongebob? :D

Win what?  WTF are you talking about?

Spongebob knows. ;D

It's a great conspiracy with charger at the helm eh?

fingers waits to see what charger says so he won't blow it ;D

tripper e-mails charger to make sure they are in sync.

Everyone is wrong and stupid except you.

Wanting to win is the symptom of the disease called politics.

3 people aren't everyone.

I didn't say anyone was stupid, or wrong.

Damn, I responded to you again. ;D ;D

BINGEWOOD — Sep 15, 2010Wanting to win is the symptom of the disease called politics.

I obviously don't claim that problem. ;D

No need to add articles and countless hours on your part to transfer that data. Just say I agree with Charger.
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Yeah.....that's why I posted numerous articles here just lately that you apparantly don't read. Just one page 8th grade level reading. 5 min. tops.
And all you have to say is terd droppings. ;D

Hookbender — Sep 15, 2010[quote author=BINGEWOOD link=1283378290/125#141 date=1284511007]Wanting to win is the symptom of the disease called politics.

I obviously don't claim that problem. ;D


Hungh?

If I wanted to win the argument I'd be posting 37 articles and reading hours upon hours in hopes of finding a article, which would be easy to do actually, to refute the shit posted by the liberals and we would still be in the same place we are now. Disagreement. So, why waist my time. There are no known fixes for government or politics. Only a different way to spend money and create debt. Reality is separate from politics. I chose to argue from the reality side of things. I agree with the majority that healthcare shouldn't be fucked with, but on the timing side of the issue, not whether or not something should be done. No matter how debt is created, the tax payers will have to pay down the debt. So, I oppose wasteful spending on bullshit. I don't favor unions, I oppose any spending by government to help them in any way no matter the cost. Etc. It's really not a difficult position. Pretty much common sense that will never happen.

I agree with the majority that healthcare shouldn't be fucked with,

Again:

Well, I've been back and forth on this issue and have finally decided to support it, or at least be in favor of it.  

After listening to both sides for, it seems like years, I think we need this to pass if we ever expect to curb the insurance companies rise in rates and dropping people for whatever reasons. And it will probably be decades before this ever hits the table again if it's not passed.

I've heard that  argument that only 30 million people are without insurance and that is a very small percentage. Well, who gives a shit about the percentage? 30 million people without insurance that could be insured by this passing? That's a fucking shit load of people.  

I'm for it, I say get it done and move the fuck on. Obama has been patient long enough. I commend him for that. And, I agree with him, we need to vote and pass this thing. Or they do.

He musta had some good ass kill green that day....veeeeeery hippy of him!

I'll say......And who is in the majority on that subject is subject to debate. Just depends on who did the polls and when they were taken and how the question were worded.

It was pretty close.

No big majority.