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Start the day with a story on the web about this McCain volunteer in Pittsburgh who was assaulted by a 6'4" black man (hmmm... there just happens to be one of those running for president!) who stole her money, saw that she was a McCain supporter, said "you are going to be a Barack supporter," and carved a B into her face. Wow. Sounds like there are some really horrible black Obama supporters out there, huh? Of course, both McCain and Palin called her personally and gave her support.
After the police started noticing discrepancies in her story... they pushed a little harder. And it turns out, she made the whole thing up.
Anyone who ever tells you racism isn't alive and well, and politics (especially on the losing side) isn't ugly as fuck, is lying to you.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iidrMKZwVNDDlEtkssY6t1xxhg9QD9412IF83
charger — Oct 24, 2008 a 6'4" black man (hmmm... there just happens to be one of those running for president!)
I thought Hooky said Obama was now considered white? :D
I know it's in bad taste, but man, some of the comments after this article are hilarious:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/one-texans-tall-tale-debunked.html
A sampling:
Posted by mishi @ 3:06 PM Fri, Oct 24, 2008
I hear that Ashley Todd also told police she said "No thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere.
Posted by NYJ @ 3:09 PM Fri, Oct 24, 2008
Gosh, I hope this doesn't give the campaign...a black eye! (Sorry, couldn't resist)
I don't think racism will ever completely go away. We can't control every individual and their thoughts.
However, any act of racism is becoming increasingly unacceptable in todays society. That's a step forward.
And one must remember that racism is on both sides. That's very appearent in Alabama, although I think it's much better now than it was say, 20 years ago.
As long as we can see improvement over a 5 or 10 year period, that is probably all we can expect.
And one must remember that racism is on both sides. That's very appearent in Alabama
Do you care to elaborate about the black racists in Alabama?
Maybe give some examples of it.
Personally, I think this person must be an Obama supporter. You'd have to be pretty dumb to not think the backlash wouldn't boomerang back.
Kind of like the following:
A Republican and a Democrat were comparing recruitment techniques. The Republican said "As an example, whenever I take a taxi I always give the driver a big tip and say 'Remember to vote Republican!'" The Democrat replied "My technique is very similar. Whenever I take a taxi I make sure to stiff the driver of his tip and then say 'Remember to vote Republican!'" ;)
You went to school and lived in Alabama all your life. Do you deny that reverse racism exist in Alabama?
In my experience, it does exist.
I'm not sure what you mean by reverse racism.
I didn't deny anything,I simply asked you to expound on what your talking about to better understand what you mean.
Racism agaist white people.
Have you ever experienced, or witnessed, racism agaist white people in Alabama?
Maybe you need to think back to when I got shot, and where I got shot. Do you think a black person would have been shot if he were simply turning around where we did?
If your not denying racism agaist white people happens in Alabama, what's the purpose of you questioning it?
Are ya bored? Just want to argue, perhaps? ;D
CraigBert — Oct 25, 2008Personally, I think this person must be an Obama supporter. You'd have to be pretty dumb to not think the backlash wouldn't boomerang back.
Uhh... she worked for the McCain campaign, registering voters in Texas, and was actually transferred to Pittsburgh to register more voters.
No one has ever accused McCain backers of being particularly smart...
The B was backwards. She probably did it while looking in a mirror... ;D
Racism agaist white people.
Racism is racism no matter the skin color. Reverse racism is a misnomer.
Have you ever experienced, or witnessed, racism agaist white people in Alabama?
No I haven't.
Maybe you need to think back to when I got shot, and where I got shot. Do you think a black person would have been shot if he were simply turning around where we did?
Well,that was 25 years ago.
But we weren't simply turning around.
We were in the hood in Birmingham with a rebel flag tag on the front of the car waiting for a pot delivery.
It was a friday night and the kid was 15 years old.
It was not racism.
If your not denying racism agaist white people happens in Alabama, what's the purpose of you questioning it?
The purpose could be just as I have said.....to understand what you are talking about.
Asking a question does not mean one is denying or agreeing.
I see not much has changed around there:
http://blog.al.com/bn/2007/11/in_our_classrooms_a_learning_d.html
"At Gate City, in one of Birmingham's poorest and roughest neighborhoods, 26 fourth-graders cram into a tiny classroom that looks decades behind the times. Every student is black, and 92 percent of the school's children live in poverty. "
This was just a block from gate City at Legion Field:
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2007/09/candidates_blame_parents_polic.html
"The six major candidates for mayor of Birmingham say the shooting of four bystanders outside a football game at Legion Field late Monday is the latest bloody reminder that crime is a major issue confronting the city."
I think it might be worse. I attended a lot of High School football games at Legion Field. I don't remember anything like that happening then.
My HS was on 86th st. Legion Field was on 77th or Oporto Madrid..
I rode my bike there many times.
pickmaster60 — Oct 25, 2008Racism agaist white people.
Racism is racism no matter the skin color. Reverse racism is a misnomer.
Have you ever experienced, or witnessed, racism agaist white people in Alabama?
No I haven't.
Maybe you need to think back to when I got shot, and where I got shot. Do you think a black person would have been shot if he were simply turning around where we did?
Well,that was 25 years ago.
But we weren't simply turning around.
We were in the hood in Birmingham with a rebel flag tag on the front of the car waiting for a pot delivery.
It was a friday night and the kid was 15 years old.
It was not racism.
If your not denying racism agaist white people happens in Alabama, what's the purpose of you questioning it?
The purpose could be just as I have said.....to understand what you are talking about.
Asking a question does not mean one is denying or agreeing.
I see not much has changed around there:
http://blog.al.com/bn/2007/11/in_our_classrooms_a_learning_d.html
"At Gate City, in one of Birmingham's poorest and roughest neighborhoods, 26 fourth-graders cram into a tiny classroom that looks decades behind the times. Every student is black, and 92 percent of the school's children live in poverty. "
This was just a block from gate City at Legion Field:
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2007/09/candidates_blame_parents_polic.html
"The six major candidates for mayor of Birmingham say the shooting of four bystanders outside a football game at Legion Field late Monday is the latest bloody reminder that crime is a major issue confronting the city."
I think it might be worse. I attended a lot of High School football games at Legion Field. I don't remember anything like that happening then.
My HS was on 86th st. Legion Field was on 77th or Oporto Madrid..
I rode my bike there many times.
I'm referring to racism agaist white folk, which does exist. I used the term reverse racism because it's a general term used in causual discussion. You just quoted an opinion of Carl from the WIKI article. He tries to avoid the term reverse racism. That doesn't mean it's a misnomer. That is his opinion. What is yours?
At the time I got shot, we were looking for the guy to bring the delivery. We were turning around and had given up on finding him. We had a brown paper bag over the tag on the front of your car. So, no one could see the tag. And I ask again, do you think that a couple of black guys would have been shot in a attempt to steal our car? There were plenty of other cars parked not 50 yards from ours.
You have never seen racism in Alabama agaist white people? Never, in your 40 plus years of living in Alabama? Not any form of racism in Alabama agaist white people? Bullshit.
whoops....it was Lawson Field not Legion Field.
But no....I haven't noticed any racism against whites. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere.
I don't remember any cars beside us.
Trying to remember exactly what happened 25 years ago is not proof of anything.
So back to the question......
Would you care to elaborate on your "reverse racism" experiences?
If you have a very narrow view of racism, the definition, we can't continue the discussion about racism agaist white people. Most definitions are limited to looking at history, or white people being the majoriety and racism being defined as a majoriety agaist the minoriety. Power.
So, unless you can view this discussion with an open mind and not deny reality, and the facts within that reality, we have nothing to discuss. We would argue in circles.
And I'm pretty sure your limited to exact definitions and your previous post, which suggest your not being quite truthful, would limit this discussion.
That being considered, we have nothing to debate or discuss.
pickmaster60 — Oct 25, 2008whoops....it was Lawson Field not Legion Field.
But no....I haven't noticed any racism against whites. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere.
I don't remember any cars beside us.
Trying to remember exactly what happened 25 years ago is not proof of anything.
So back to the question......
Would you care to elaborate on your "reverse racism" experiences?
I remember it very well. We turned around in a project housing driveway. We were looking right at the housing and parking lot of cars. So if they were intending to steal a car, wouldn't it be much easier to steal one that wasn't occupied? One in which they didn't have to shoot the people in the car to get it? And I said nothing about cars being "beside us".
You have as good a memory about that shit as I do. We've talked about it many times. Your just unwilling to discuss this truthfully becaue it's completely racism agaist white folk, us, and agaist your argument. It proves you have experienced racism, which you said you haven't, and shows your not able to be truthful about the subject.
I just asked you to give some examples of your experiences of black racism and you won't.
Now your saying I'm being dishonest. :-?
I don't know what that kid was thinking 25 years ago. ...or what his motives were.
I can tell you this: What you think you may remember about something that long ago may not be so accurate.
Perception of witnesses ,as the police and lawyers know ,can be biased,unaccurate,and just plain wrong.
There were never any charges in this case due to lack of evidence. I couldn't identify the guy with the gun for one thing.
Two white teens trying to buy pot in one of the most poor,rough,undereducated Government projects in Birmingham 25 years ago... that ended in a shot being fired, is not a case for racism.
pickmaster60 — Oct 25, 2008I just asked you to give some examples of your experiences of black racism and you won't.
Now your saying I'm being dishonest. :-?
I don't know what that kid was thinking 25 years ago. ...or what his motives were.
I can tell you this: What you think you may remember about something that long ago may not be so accurate.
Perception of witnesses as the police and lawyers know can be biased,unaccurate,and just plain wrong.
So you think that me being shot, is something I won't remember accurately?
And I'm not a witness to that incident, I'm the victom. I didn't watch it happen, it happened to me.
His intentions were to rob us, kill us, or beat the shit out of us at gun point. And considering he shot me, kill us would be a good assumption.
And....we were outnumbered, remember? There were plenty of his friends, 15 or more standing with him. So they had the power, the majoriety, so it was surely a racist act. It could at least be assumed that racism had a role in what happened. I doubt he shot a black guy in that hood that same night. Do you think that if we were black, the same thing would have happened? Ya think two black guys would have been treated the same way? Well, fuck no. Come on man. Shit. ;D
By the way....you said to me you found out who the guy was because he went to your school. I think you said you even talked to him. But you have no idea what his intention was, right?
Why do you insist on talking about this instead of the reverse racism against yourself?
I heard hearsay that this guy was a younger brother of a guy in my class. Rumor was that he was selling drugs and robbing people. Not just white guys.
My question is about your idea that black racism is apparant in Alabama ....that's what I wanted to know about.
What I remember:
The guy put a gun to my temple and told me to get out of the car. I put the car into reverse and floored the gas.
Police estimated the guy shot at the car at a range of about 25 feet. Most likely,the police said,he was drunk or on drugs.
The bullet went through the windshield in the middle upper portion. It was deflected as it hit the windshield and lodged in your shoulder as a superficial wound.
Who knows what other crimes were commited that night or that year. Black on black crimes were happening all the time as well as crimes against white guys trying to buy drugs.
There were racial tensions at my school at the time. A few months earlier a group of white guys from my school drove through Gate City in a pickup waving a large rebel flag an yelling things.
Off subject as well:
I knew the clairmont killer. He was in one o my my classes and we sat together a lot. I think he was from Gate City as well. ;D
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070501-9999-1m1prince.html
"There were racial tensions at my school at the time."
Wait, I guess you mean tension like, whites agaist blacks only? When you say racial tension, that includes black agaist white also, right?
Damn....I forgot, you haven't experienced any black agaist white racism or "tension" though. ;D ;D ;D
It's no use discussing this with you if you aren't going to be truthful. At least consistent in your arguments. :o ;D ;D
Do you care to elaborate about the black racists in Alabama?
Maybe give some examples of it.
pickmaster60 — Oct 25, 2008Do you care to elaborate about the black racists in Alabama?
Maybe give some examples of it.
I can only give examples of my experience of racism over the years.
Racism, as defined, probably can't occur agaist white people in a way that would effect white people in a significant way. Racism, has hitorically effected black people as we all know.
However, it does exist in small numbers. Racism agaist white people, or hate agaist white people based on skin color alone and a blame type hate.
So based on what you want and are fishing for, evidence, I cannot offer you. But as two people from Alabama talking, you and I, it does exist. I find it hard to believe you never experienced it living here as long as you have. In fact, I think you have.
You just quoted an opinion of Carl from the WIKI article. He tries to avoid the term reverse racism. That doesn't mean it's a misnomer. That is his opinion. What is yours?
Actually I got the idea from here:
http://racism.suite101.com/article.cfm/definition_of_racism_other_terms
But...if you just put "reverse racism misnomer" into google you will get plenty of sites to check out.
Not an uncommon idea.
If you look at the definition of racism...it's hard to figure what the reverse if it might mean ;D
However, it does exist in small numbers
But that is not "very apparant in Alabama" as if anybody living in Alabama would notice it.
You still want to insist I have seen black racism. I haven't.
Why do you say this?
;D ;D :P
"I'm not gonna label myself anything, Pick," said Hook. "And I think that's what annoys a lot of Bertcavers, especially in a political campaign, is to start trying to label different parts of bertcave populace different, different backgrounds, different.... liberal,republican,democrat......I'm not going to put a label on myself."
In an interview on NBC Nightly News that aired yesterday, Brian Williams asked Palin: "Governor, are you a feminist?"
"I'm not gonna label myself anything, Brian," said Palin. "And I think that's what annoys a lot of Americans, especially in a political campaign, is to start trying to label different parts of America different, different backgrounds, different...I'm not going to put a label on myself."
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;D
Hook:God exists...
Pick:Gee Hook..can you give me some evidence or examples ect.
Hook: Are you denying God exists? Why else would you question God's existamce if your not?
Pick: I just asked for some evidence...that's all.
Hook:
So based on what you want and are fishing for , evidence of God, I cannot offer you. But as two people from Alabama talking, you and I, HE does exist. I find it hard to believe you never experienced God's love living here as long as you have. In fact, I think you have.
Well, she does seem to luv hypocrisy.
Reverse racism? Is that when you say a black guy is white? he h heh
Obama is white and I experienced reverse racism! ;D ;D :'(
Palin would make a fine VP.......But I have personal concerns about Obama. He's gonna replace Iraq with Pakistan...or is that Iranistan? ;D
Reverse racism is an Alabama term for running a NASCAR event in the opposite direction (i.e., turning right). ;) :D ;D
Fuck you all. The Tide is 8-0. Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-)
Hookbender — Oct 26, 2008Fuck you all. The Tide is 8-0. Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-)
'Cause they haven't played USC yet. ;)
Hookbender — Oct 25, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/0#16 date=1224949562]And....we were outnumbered, remember? There were plenty of his friends, 15 or more standing with him. So they had the power, the majoriety, so it was surely a racist act. It could at least be assumed that racism had a role in what happened. I doubt he shot a black guy in that hood that same night. Do you think that if we were black, the same thing would have happened? Ya think two black guys would have been treated the same way? Well, fuck no. Come on man. Shit. ;D
Are you seriously postulating that young black males don't get shot at a rate that is astronomically higher than white people?
Always loved the Hook and Pick show - it is great,
You could make pamphlets out of it and spread it around as part of a public education program
:)
charger — Oct 26, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1224882683/0#17 date=1224951460][quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/0#16 date=1224949562]And....we were outnumbered, remember? There were plenty of his friends, 15 or more standing with him. So they had the power, the majoriety, so it was surely a racist act. It could at least be assumed that racism had a role in what happened. I doubt he shot a black guy in that hood that same night. Do you think that if we were black, the same thing would have happened? Ya think two black guys would have been treated the same way? Well, fuck no. Come on man. Shit. ;D
Are you seriously postulating that young black males don't get shot at a rate that is astronomically higher than white people?
No, read my post. I'm saying what I said in my post. And that was.....I think racism had a role in me being shot. There were plenty of cars to steal, and plenty of people to shoot. But they chose the two white guys to shoot at.
pickmaster60 — Oct 25, 2008However, it does exist in small numbers
But that is not "very apparant in Alabama" as if anybody living in Alabama would notice it.
You still want to insist I have seen black racism. I haven't.
Why do you say this?
In a state full of racism, white agaist black, surely it could be assumed that racist black people exist. At least, black people that hate white people solely because of skin color.
You've said you witnessed racial tension.....so that was only on the part of black people being tense about white people, no tension with white being tense about blacks? I find that hard to believe, and dishonest of you. Unless your having trouble making it clear what you intend to say.
Sure you have.
And I think you have reverse intelligence Pick. ;D ;D ;D
So based on what you want and are fishing for, evidence, I cannot offer you. But as two people from Alabama talking, you and I, it does exist. I find it hard to believe you never experienced it living here as long as you have. In fact, I think you have.
If you can't offer any evidence or examples of black racism in Alabama,why would it be hard to believe I haven't experienced it?
Should I just have faith it does? Should I believe it's true simply because you believe it?
You claim it exists in small numbers. Perhaps it does....Doesn't mean I'm one of those who saw it.
To you it seems very apparant even though you think black racism only exists in small numbers.
If racism. as defined, probably can't occur agaist white people in a way that would effect white people in a significant way........
you must have experienced some really overt cases for it to make the impression it has.
Do you care to elaborate?
BTW this thing about stealing cars you keep saying. You don't know that is what he planned to do.
We simply do not know what his intentions were.
You assume way to much.
Earlier you said his intentions were to " rob us, kill us, or beat the shit out of us at gun point"
Now it's stealing the car.
If you have a very narrow view of racism, the definition, we can't continue the discussion about racism agaist white people. Most definitions are limited to looking at history, or white people being the majoriety and racism being defined as a majoriety agaist the minoriety. Power.
So, unless you can view this discussion with an open mind and not deny reality, and the facts within that reality, we have nothing to discuss
Perhaps I should broaden my definition of racism to include anything you believe or want it to be.
That way we can discuss it from your percieved "reality" and use these nonexistant "facts" from that reality.
How is it that reverse racism is very apparant in Alabama?
pickmaster60 — Oct 27, 2008So based on what you want and are fishing for, evidence, I cannot offer you. But as two people from Alabama talking, you and I, it does exist. I find it hard to believe you never experienced it living here as long as you have. In fact, I think you have.
If you can't offer any evidence or examples of black racism in Alabama,why would it be hard to believe I haven't experienced it?
Should I just have faith it does? Should I believe it's true simply because you believe it does?
You claim it exists in small numbers. Perhaps it does....Doesn't mean I'm one of those who saw it.
To you it seems very apparant even though you think black racism only exists in small numbers.
If racism. as defined, probably can't occur agaist white people in a way that would effect white people in a significant way........
you must have experienced some really overt cases for it to make the impreesion it has.
Do you care to elaborate?
BTW this thing about stealing cars you keep saying. You don't know that is what he planned to do.
We simply do not know what his intentions were.
You assume way to much.
Earlier you said his intentions were to " rob us, kill us, or beat the shit out of us at gun point"
Now it's stealing the car.
If you have a very narrow view of racism, the definition, we can't continue the discussion about racism agaist white people. Most definitions are limited to looking at history, or white people being the majoriety and racism being defined as a majority ageist the minority. Power.
So, unless you can view this discussion with an open mind and not deny reality, and the facts within that reality, we have nothing to discuss
Perhaps I should broaden my definition of racism to include anything you believe or want it to be.
That way we can discuss it from your percieved "reality" and use these nonexistant "facts" from that reality.
I can only offer my experiences, and that isn't evidence. I find it hard to believe you never experienced it at all considering you went through segregation as I did.
"Earlier you said his intentions were to " rob us, kill us, or beat the shit out of us at gun point"
Now it's stealing the car."
Well, in most people's mind, if his intension was to steal a car, that would mean rob us. Do you think his intension was to rape us? Maybe force us to sit down on the ground and have fellowship with the lord? Or, maybe he just wanted to talk. Or maybe you did something to promote this "racial tension" you were talking about and wanted to pop a cap in your ass and missed and hit me. No, I don't think it's a stretch to say one of the things I mentioned was correct. You have 0 common sense.
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/05/04/fox_news_guest_says_black_racism_against_whites_the_biggest_problem_in_this_country.php
I find it hard to believe you never experienced it at all considering you went through segregation as I did.
I didn't...It was before I was born.
I went to a Birmingham school that was desegregated. A practice that was in place before I arrived.
I never went to a segregated school.
I was born in '66.
http://www.teachersdomain.org/resource/iml04.soc.ush.civil.jefdeseg/
pickmaster60 — Oct 27, 2008I find it hard to believe you never experienced it at all considering you went through segregation as I did.
I didn't...It was before I was born.
I went to a Birmingham school that was desegregated. A practice that was in place before I arrived.
My schools were desegregated when I was in 5th grade and I believe they were earlier than that.
I never went to a segregated school. I was born in '66.
I meant desegregation, my bad.
I believe it was 1970 or 71 that the courts ordered that it was acceptable to bus kids to other schools in a attempt to desegregate schools. And they did. Look that up.
I remember when I was in middle school it was a huge deal. I had a middle school not far from my house in Mobile but they started this desegregation thing and bussed me way across town to a mostly black school. Completely stupid. They achieved 80% black to 20% white at this school and called it a attempt to desegregate schools. ;D ;D What it actually did was piss everyone off, blacks and whites and especially their parents. It caused a shit load of "racial tension" in school and the white kids there experienced some bad shit, racism, because of it. Parents of the children were pissed mostly because they had a school near their home but were being forced to ride a bus to the other end of the city.
Yeah yeah.....I know. Over 25 years ago stuff.
How is it that reverse racism is very apparant in Alabama?
Since it happened 20 years ago, it didn't happen right? ;D
And our history is no important.
"And one must remember that racism is on both sides. That's very appearent in Alabama, although I think it's much better now than it was say, 20 years ago."
I think first, you need to get your facts straight, or post straight.
If it's very apparant now but it's much better than twenty years ago......
How is it very apparant now?
Why is it that 90% plus black voters support Obama? Is it because 90% of the black voters no the issues and favor Obama on issues alone? Or, are they voting for him simply because he's black?
90% of white voters don't know the issues. Alot of white voters do know the issues and are voting for Obama.....but not because of his skin color. Because they believe he is more competent to run the country.
Racism is America, not just Alabama, is alive and well. On both sides of the fence. Skin color determines much. But you live in your own little world of denial and drink beer and open locks. ;D ;D
And before I get slammed to death over this statement, I'm not implying that there are no intelligent black people that don't vote on issues. A lot of the black people probably are correct for voting Obama this election. But 90% of all black people seems to add that theirs more to their decision than issues. JMO.
pickmaster60 — Oct 27, 2008If it's very apparant now but it's much better than twenty years ago......
How is it very apparant now?
Walk in gate city tonight at 10 or 11. Bet you don't walk out.
Don't 90%+ of black people vote Dem?
charger — Oct 25, 2008[quote author=CraigBert link=1224882683/0#5 date=1224900958]Personally, I think this person must be an Obama supporter. You'd have to be pretty dumb to not think the backlash wouldn't boomerang back.
Uhh... she worked for the McCain campaign, registering voters in Texas, and was actually transferred to Pittsburgh to register more voters.
No one has ever accused McCain backers of being particularly smart...
Speaking of which, I was playing a party in Montgomery, Texas Saturday night (it's near College Station, home of Ashley Re-Todd), and there was a McCainiac fucktard at the party whose costume was an Obama mask and a fake bomb strapped to his chest, and he was walking around the party telling people to vote for John McCain - he even tried (repeatedly) to get on our microphones and spout his bullshit.
Even though I wanted to rip him a new asshole, I politely told him that we don't allow people to give announcements unless they're directly related to the party. He was seriously like a retarded kid who really likes bunnies, only instead of liking bunnies, he hates Barack Obama and says he's a terrorist (and he said it OVER and OVER again, to the point where I wanted to lock him in our trailer until we were done).
It's really hard to remain professional when you're dealing with douchebags like that.
Tripper
