The Watering Hole

Mebee that cat could take a walk in "Gate City".  hehe heh

Hookbender — Oct 27, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/25#41 date=1225119389]I find it hard to believe you never experienced it at all considering you went through segregation as I did.  

I didn't...It was before I was born.

I went to a Birmingham school that was desegregated. A practice that was in place before I arrived.

My schools were desegregated when I was in 5th grade and I believe they were earlier than that.

I never went to a segregated school. I was born in '66.





I meant desegregation, my bad.

I believe it was 1970 or 71 that the courts ordered that it was acceptable to bus kids to other schools in a attempt to desegregate schools. And they did. Look that up.

I remember when I was in middle school it was a huge deal. I had a middle school not far from my house in Mobile but they started this desegregation thing and bussed me way across town to a mostly black school. Completely stupid. They achieved  80% black to 20% white at this school and called it a attempt to desegregate schools. ;D ;D What it actually did was piss everyone off, blacks and whites and especially their parents. It caused a shit load of "racial tension" in school and the white kids there experienced some bad shit, racism, because of it. Parents of the children were pissed mostly because they had a school near their home but were being forced to ride a bus to the other end of the city.  


Jesus Christ, you are talking about Brown vs. the Board of Education?  

Here's my take... while you saw it as causing a ton of "racial tension" the fact is, integrating schools also brought us to where we are today.  The point was not only to allow black people equality of opportunity (and white schools were very clearly getting more money than black schools at the time), but to get the people together.  If tension resulted in two racially segregated, and untrusting, groups sitting mixing it up, so be it.  In the end, we have a black presidential candidate, and a lot more racial mixing and diversity than we would have had if we had kept the races separate forever.  I'd much rather have dealt with those problems in that way 50 years ago, then be dealing with them today.  

Of course, you live in Alabama, so you had Governor George Wallace personally blocking the doors to the white schools, and his famous quote "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"... sweet.

90% of white voters don't know the issues. Alot of white voters do know the issues

Is alot 10%?

Where did you grt this percentage??

I give up. Your just too stupid to talk to ;D.  

You know the "my friends" drinking game, where you took a drink every time McCain said "my friends" in his town hall debate (for those who weren't too wasted to complete it, that was 23 drinks)?

We should play the "I give up" drinking game with Hookbender vs. pickmaster threads.  I bet we'd all be sloshed.

I'll take the O'Douls and drive you all home.   :)

p.s.  Is anyone else here thinking that the annual Hook/Pick family reunion would be a nice place to take a field trip to, during the next BertCaveStock?  It would be like giving your ears a break by going to see Jerry Springer!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  

BINGEWOOD — Oct 27, 2008Don't 90%+ of black people vote Dem?

Yeah, I'll give ya that one. Unless the number of black votes triple and they vote Obama.

pickmaster60 — Oct 27, 200890% of white voters don't know the issues. Alot of white voters do know the issues

Is alot 10%?

Where did you grt this percentage??

I give up. Your just too stupid to talk to ;D.  

Obviously, you don't understand english. I'm glad you give up. You make me want to vomit.

DreamTheaterRules — Oct 27, 2008p.s.  Is anyone else here thinking that the annual Hook/Pick family reunion would be a nice place to take a field trip to, during the next BertCaveStock?  It would be like giving your ears a break by going to see Jerry Springer!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  

;D ;D ;D LMAO

It would probably make the liberals happy to have it in the middle of a cotton field and have a rule--blues music only. ;D ;D

I think it was a GOP member who advocated this type of blues method on these boards.

Hookbender — Oct 27, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/50#52 date=1225128107]90% of white voters don't know the issues. Alot of white voters do know the issues

Is alot 10%?

Where did you grt this percentage??

I give up. Your just too stupid to talk to ;D.  

Obviously, you don't understand english. I'm glad you give up. You make me want to vomit.


I'll just ask it one time.

How do 90% of white voters not know the issues but at the same time alot of them do? That leaves 10% who do know the issues.
How do you know 90% of white voters don't know the issues?

 How would anyone make sense of that? ::) It makes no sense.

"Why is it that 90% plus black voters support Obama? Is it because 90% of the black voters no the issues and favor Obama on issues alone? Or, are they voting for him simply because he's black?"

"90% of white voters don't know the issues. Alot of white voters do know the issues and are voting for Obama.....but not because of his skin color. Because they believe he is more competent to run the country."

The point of this post is that some people vote for Obama on issue alone, not skin color.

90% of white people probably don't know the details or facts about the issues. But a % of them do, a much larger count, number of people.....mainly because there are more white people than black people. But alot, means alot. Considering there are many more white people than black people. Percentage wise. So the 10% of white people is alot of people, compared to say, 10% of black people.

O.K. sweetie???

Hook thinks his argument is a good one.I think it's crap.

We each think we are right.

I would like tripper,charger or fingers... or all to point out mistakes or flaws in our thinking or argument starting at the begining where I first had an issue with him. Be brutal and honest.

If he is agreeable I would love to see your assesment.

Which argument? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

;D Any of them in this thread.

Well, the first argument was about "reverse racism".  I haven't really heard the evidence you asked for yet.

As for this latest argument about percentages of voters by race and who votes which way based on race or "knowing the issues", it doesn't seem to say much either way.

I don't think I made to many arguments. I just stated my opinion and answered questions concerning them. I don't think I won, and have no intension of winning. Who won to me doesn't matter. It only concerns you Pick. I don't necessarily think my statements were absolutely correct, nor do I think anything is absolutely correct.

In this discussion, I really don't give a fuck. ;D ;D ;D

I think your so enthralled in this evidence thing that people can't have a discussion with you without evidence to back up everything they say. Pretty sad, really. You take this critical thinking shit way to seriously at times.

Everytime I post, you nit pick the hell out of small things. Everytime I post. So, I fuck with you a little.

You don't see me doing that with Trip, Charger or Fingers. When they respond to my post, they point out what is wrong with what I said. They don't have time to pick at every little bullshit thing. You do. I notice it. Everytime I post, I already know what your response will be before I even finish it. ;D

You look for anything to start an argument to set you high upon your perch. ;D ;D Because of your desire to win, win, win. Congratulations.  ;D ;D ;D

What am I gonna say next? ;D

I can also read minds.....fuck you to. ;D ;D ;D

Hookbender — Oct 25, 2008
I remember it very well. We turned around in a project housing driveway. We were looking right at the housing and parking lot of cars. So if they were intending to steal a car, wouldn't it be much easier to steal one that wasn't occupied? One in which they didn't have to shoot the people in the car to get it? And I said nothing about cars being "beside us".

You have as good a memory about that shit as I do. We've talked about it many times. Your just unwilling to discuss this truthfully becaue it's completely racism agaist white folk, us, and agaist your argument. It proves you have experienced racism, which you said you haven't, and shows your not able to be truthful about the subject.

Wait - how on EARTH do you know the motivations for the carjacking? Aren't you just assuming it was racism, and not realizing that there is a distinct possibility that a couple of black people would have been jacked, too (since it's a lot easier to steal a car when you have access to the fucking keys to it)?

Just some critical-thinking questions for you to ponder...not necessarily agreeing with Pick, just trying to make you think about it.
Tripper

Hookbender — Oct 25, 2008So you think that me being shot, is something I won't remember accurately?

Actually, in studies of witness testimony, it's pretty clear that memories of an incident aren't nearly as clear as you think they are. Pick's right.

And I'm not a witness to that incident, I'm the victom. I didn't watch it happen, it happened to me.

Which actually makes it WORSE for you to remember it accurately, because your brain was in panic mode at the time.

His intentions were to rob us, kill us, or beat the shit out of us at gun point. And considering he shot me, kill us would be a good assumption.

Sure. But you don't know for sure. Accepting that is the first step to thinking a little more critically about the incident.

And....we were outnumbered, remember? There were plenty of his friends, 15 or more standing with him. So they had the power, the majoriety, so it was surely a racist act.

Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Just because it was a group doesn't mean it had anything to do with race. It could have had much more to do with the fact that you were in the wrong neighborhood, regardless of your skin color. Ever hear of black-on-black crime? Yeah, it happens all the time. Assuming it was racist is fine, I suppose, but it's not necessarily true.

It could at least be assumed that racism had a role in what happened. I doubt he shot a black guy in that hood that same night. Do you think that if we were black, the same thing would have happened? Ya think two black guys would have been treated the same way? Well, fuck no. Come on man. Shit. ;D

It's VERY possible, and you reject it. That's not very thorough, intellectually.

By the way....you said to me you found out who the guy was because he went to your school. I think you said you even talked to him. But you have no idea what his intention was, right?

He wouldn't know if he didn't ask.

Just playing Devil (Pick)'s advocate...it's not wrong to question what you believe about anything.
Tripper

Those other posts aside, I think that Pick is intentionally playing down the actual racism that goes both ways in Alabama to infuriate Hook...and I think they're both just being little bitches about it to annoy one another (though I have to admit, Pick's doing a better job at pissing Hook off than the contrary).

Some people in America (not just Alabama) are racists, no matter what race they are. Thankfully, they're dying out as more people spend more time with people of other races and get over it. Over time, racism will continue to fade. Prejudice will never truly go away, though, because people need to put other people in boxes to more easily understand their world - we're wired for it, unfortunately...but it abates as people become more intelligent.

Here's hoping the world doesn't develop the way it did in the movie "Idiocracy".
Tripper

"little bitches" ;D ;D

Did you forget the word "whiney" there Tripper?  :D

Tripper — Oct 29, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1224882683/0#17 date=1224951460]So you think that me being shot, is something I won't remember accurately?

Actually, in studies of witness testimony, it's pretty clear that memories of an incident aren't nearly as clear as you think they are. Pick's right.

And I'm not a witness to that incident, I'm the victim. I didn't watch it happen, it happened to me.

Which actually makes it WORSE for you to remember it accurately, because your brain was in panic mode at the time.

His intentions were to rob us, kill us, or beat the shit out of us at gun point. And considering he shot me, kill us would be a good assumption.

Sure. But you don't know for sure. Accepting that is the first step to thinking a little more critically about the incident.

And....we were outnumbered, remember? There were plenty of his friends, 15 or more standing with him. So they had the power, the majority, so it was surely a racist act.

Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Just because it was a group doesn't mean it had anything to do with race. It could have had much more to do with the fact that you were in the wrong neighborhood, regardless of your skin color. Ever hear of black-on-black crime? Yeah, it happens all the time. Assuming it was racist is fine, I suppose, but it's not necessarily true.

It could at least be assumed that racism had a role in what happened. I doubt he shot a black guy in that hood that same night. Do you think that if we were black, the same thing would have happened? Ya think two black guys would have been treated the same way? Well, fuck no. Come on man. Shit. ;D

It's VERY possible, and you reject it. That's not very thorough, intellectually.

By the way....you said to me you found out who the guy was because he went to your school. I think you said you even talked to him. But you have no idea what his intention was, right?

He wouldn't know if he didn't ask.

Just playing Devil (Pick)'s advocate...it's not wrong to question what you believe about anything.
Tripper

As far as me being shot and describing the incident, as dramatic as it was, how could I not remember. Are their exceptions in that study? Is their a percentage of people that "can" give testimony accurately? Could I not be one of those people?

I was in "panic mode"? No. I was in pissed off mode. I was yelling out the window..."I'm coming back after you....". On the way to the hospital, I pulled the bullet out of my shoulder and threw it under the drivers seat. We got to the hospital and I told the cop the bullet was under the seat. I still remember the look on Pick's face and the cops. They were shocked. I remember it like it was yesterday. Your studies are just incorrect in my case. There has to be a percentage of people that study showed to have very good testimonials or accounts of the incidents or whatever.

If a person pulls a loaded gun, points it in your general direction, and pulls the trigger.....his intentions are to kill you. A handgun is considered a deadly weapon. Thats a logical conclusion to the incident. His first intent may have been many things and that's fine. But when he shot the gun pointed in our general direction.....that became at least, attempted murder. What he was thinking the other times, is really not important.

I used the word surely, (as in question), assumption, assumed.....surely I wasn't stating something as absolute truth. Nor a statement of fact. Could it be assumed that Pick made a mistake to start with assuming that I was making a statement of fact.....with no possibility of being wrong? I think so. Seeing how I was honest about my assumptions 3 different occations in my post. I really didn't reject anything.

And I promise you Trip, I was never mad. I was laughing most of the time. It's as stupid as shit to start with. As are most of me and Picks public family fueds. ;D ;D


How did Charger get a picture of me and Pick on this forum? ;D ;D ;D I'm the short fucker with the bad attitude. Picks the curly headed, tall bastard, nerd ass bitch next to me. ;D ;D ;D

I think that Pick is intentionally playing down the actual racism that goes both ways in Alabama to infuriate Hook

I'm not denying there is some actual "reverse racism" that goes on in  Alabama. It's the degree of it I'm talking about.
If it's very apparent in Alabama, wouldn't it also be to a large degree?

If it were to a small degree,it wouldn't be very apparent. Then one might need reminding because it rarely happens.

Why would someone say " one needs to remember racism goes both ways " unless that person thinks it is not very apparent to others?

If it were very apparent to people....they wouldn't need reminding.

Has anybody here forgot that racism can go both ways? ;D

So he's telling people here that "reverse racism" is very apparent in Alabama. I take that to mean that it is at least somewhat more common here than elsewhere. Why else the distiction?

Yet the only evidence offered is some drug deal gone bad 25 years ago when we were teens. Something that really can't be considered conclusively racist or even begin to be proof. It's more like a red herring. ;D

I asked for some examples.
Should be pretty easy if it's very apparent.

I want to know how that is because I rarely hear about it anywhere if ever. It's not apparent to me .

Instead of saying I'm  playing it down....It would be more accurate to say that Hook is exagerating it.
He is the one making the claim. He is the one doing the reminding.

That is untill he admitted that it only" happened in small numbers"

If it only happens in small numbers then it's not very apparent. ;D

If a person pulls a loaded gun, points it in your general direction, and pulls the trigger.....his intentions are to kill you

That is not necessarily true.

Why? Because it dos not prove intent.

People have shot over others to scare them. That's not an intention to kill.
It could have been an accident. That's not intention to kill.
It could be an attempt to disable the car. That's not intention to kill.
It could be he was so fucked up he didn't realize what he was doing. That's not intention to kill.
It could be he didn't know it was loaded. That's not intention to kill.
He could have had a siezure. That's not intention to kill.
He could have been shooting at a bat just above our car. ;D

You need some of this:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html

I used the word surely, (as in question),

Actually you didn't

So they had the power, the majority, so it was surely a racist act.

.

Surely in that sentence means that it was something one can be sure of.

Because they had the power and the majority it was unquestionable it was a racist act. .....Is what you said.

If you would have said something like .......So they had the power and the majority so surely one could see why I believe it was a racist act.
That would be as in a question. And it wouldn't be declarative.

The word surely is not automatically a question.

sure  (shr, shûr)

adj., sur·er, sur·est.
Impossible to doubt or dispute; certain.
Not hesitating or wavering; firm: sure convictions.
Confident, as of something awaited or expected: sure of ultimate victory.

Bound to come about or happen; inevitable: sure defeat.
Having one's course directed; destined or bound: sure to succeed.
Certain not to miss or err; steady: a sure hand on the throttle.

Worthy of being trusted or depended on; reliable.
Free from or marked by freedom from doubt: sure of her friends.
Careful to do something: asked me to be sure to turn off the stove.
Obsolete. Free from harm or danger; safe.
adv. Informal.

Surely; certainly.

idioms:
for sure Informal.

Certainly; unquestionably: We'll win for sure.
make sure
To establish something without doubt; make certain: Make sure he writes it down.
sure enough
As one might have expected

I remember it like it was yesterday. Your studies are just incorrect in my case

You also need some of this:

Our ability to remember accurately is not as reliable as we think it is. We are often unaware that our memories change which causes us to change the story from what really happened. We often forget the importance of the factors that can skew our memory and perception. Unfortunately we think factors such as confidence and details are more important and reliable when in fact these factors cause errors in decision making

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Accuracy-of-Eye-Witness-Testimony-and-Its-Flaws&id=328261

Memory also can be impaired by the presence of a weapon --
or any attention-getting object.

http://www.mail-archive.com/eristocracy@merrymeet.com/msg00134.html

Do you think that if we were black, the same thing would have happened? Ya think two black guys would have been treated the same way? Well, fuck no. Come on man. Shit.  

I think that would qualify as regecting. ::)

Regecting the fact that black people have,could,and do rob or carjack black people.

Check this out since you claim your "attempted murder" wouldn't happen if we were black.

 The statistics tell a tragic story. According to federal crime figures, homicide is the leading cause of death among African-American males aged 15 to 34. They also indicate that between 1976 and 2004, 94 percent of black murder victims were killed by black offenders

pickmaster60 — Oct 30, 2008I think that Pick is intentionally playing down the actual racism that goes both ways in Alabama to infuriate Hook

I'm not denying there is some actual "reverse racism" that goes on in  Alabama. It's the degree of it I'm talking about.
If it's very apparant in Alabama, wouldn't it also be to a large degree?

If it were to a small degree,it wouldn't be very apparant. Then one might reminding because it rarely happens.

Why would someone say " one needs to remember racism goes both ways " unless that person thinks it is not very apparant to others?

If it were very apparant to people....they wouldn't need reminding.

Has anybody here forgoten that racism can go both ways? ;D

So he's telling people here that "reverse racism" is very apparant in Alabama. I take that to mean that it is at least somewhat more common here than elsewhere. Why else the distiction?

Yet the only evidence offered is some drug deal gone bad 25 years ago when we were teens. Something that really can't be considered conclusively racist or even begin to be proof. It's more like a red herring. ;D

I asked for some examples.
Should be pretty easy if it's very apparant.

I want to know how that is because I rarely hear about it anywhere if ever. It's not apparant to me .

Instead of saying I'm  playing it down....It would be more acurate to say that Hook is exagerating it.
He is the one making the claim. He is the one doing the reminding.







Your grasping for straws.

Seriously man. Read your post. It's absolutely ridiculous. (No smiley face here)

Seriously...point out the flaws.

Give examples not just a statement. Should be easy since it's so ridiculous.

Pick....your so out there and desperate it's pitiful. I don't think for 1 half a second that I could pick out the guy that shot me. We are not talking about picking out the guy who shot me. We are talking about remembering circumstances or details of what actually happened. I couldn't pick out the guy the night he shot me. I saw jeans, a white t-shirt, a black skin guy, and teeth. Also, a gun in his hand with his arm fully extended, pointed at either you or me. No way I could pick out the Guy, it happened to quick. But I do remember the details. Maybe you need to try to find out what percent, if any, actually have a correct recollection of events. If there is 1 percent, your argument is flawed.

Maybe you need to try to find out what percent, if any, actually have a correct recollection of events. If there is 1 percent, your argument is flawed.

No that would not make it flawed.

What argument of mine would be flawed by that figure?

In other words....show me what my argument is and tell why 1% would make it flawed.

Can you do it?

pickmaster60 — Oct 30, 2008Seriously...point out the flaws.

First of all, generally speaking, the south is known for racism. The southern states. Not everyone here lives in the south. Racism in some states is so little that people may forget how we in the southern states have to deal with it almost everyday. It's common here and may not be other places. So I pointed out that racism in the south, Alabama, goes both ways as a reminder. So to you and I that may be apparent as we are around it. To other people they may have a hard time understanding racism, that part of it, because they don't have to deal with it at all.

Second.....the word apparent bothers you. So what? It's apparent to me. I see it all the time. May not be to you, but I'm not speaking for you. Planes may be all over the Bham airport, like thousands a day, for example. That's apparent to someone who works there, otherwise, people rarely see a plane.

Also, it's just a stupid "nit picking" post . You now admit reverse racism exist. It's wrong and it exits. Who gives a damn if it's apparent to me and not to you? It exist. That word just isn't worth a 5 page argument. It's stupid, and very funny to go back and read. ;D ;D ;D

It's also apparent by this post how obsessed you are with winning and that your just picking any little scab you find or make up. So if I fuck with you some when I notice your doing it, don't bitch, ya little bitch. ;D ;D Cause I'm telling you now, I'll fuck with you. ;D ;D ;D

We are talking about remembering circumstances or details of what actually happened

No shit Sherlock.

"

So to you and I that may be apparent as we are around it

"

"

but I'm not speaking for you

"

Sounds like you are.

By saying that I'm around it,your speaking for me. It is not apparant to me. I don't see it.

You now admit reverse racism exist

I didn't deny it. Show me where I did.

Hookbender — Oct 30, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/75#82 date=1225343100]Seriously...point out the flaws.

First of all, generally speaking, the south is known for racism. The southern states. Not everyone here lives in the south. Racism in some states is so little that people may forget how we in the southern states have to deal with it almost everyday. It's common here and may not be other places. So I pointed out that racism in the south, Alabama, goes both ways as a reminder. So to you and I that may be apparent as we are around it. To other people they may have a hard time understanding racism, that part of it, because they don't have to deal with it at all.

Second.....the word apparent bothers you. So what? It's apparent to me. I see it all the time. May not be to you, but I'm not speaking for you. Planes may be all over the Bham airport, like thousands a day, for example. That's apparent to someone who works there, otherwise, people rarely see a plane.

Also, it's just a stupid "nit picking" post . You now admit reverse racism exist. It's wrong and it exits. Who gives a damn if it's apparent to me and not to you? It exist. That word just isn't worth a 5 page argument. It's stupid, and very funny to go back and read. ;D ;D ;D

It's also apparent by this post how obsessed you are with winning and that your just picking any little scab you find or make up. So if I fuck with you some when I notice your doing it, don't bitch, ya little bitch. ;D ;D Cause I'm telling you now, I'll fuck with you. ;D ;D ;D

That's nice but you didn't point out any flaws in my arguement at all. Can you?

pickmaster60 — Oct 30, 2008Maybe you need to try to find out what percent, if any, actually have a correct recollection of events. If there is 1 percent, your argument is flawed.

No that would not make it flawed.

What argument of mine would be flawed by that figure?

In other words....show me what my argument is and tell why 1% would make it flawed.

Can you do it?

I'm saying that if 1 percent of people in the study Tripper was talking about, whatever that may be, remember detailed circumstances accurately about a similar event, then I can be in that 1 percent. I have a chance to remember correctly the details of what happened that night. I could be correct. And if there is a chance of me being correct, then we are arguing about this for no reason. We'll never know if I'm correct or not. I think I am. I know I am. You, on the other side, can't remember shit and your telling me I'm wrong, or could be wrong. You question me, I answer, you don't like the answer, and we argue in circles as usual. So....fuck it man. Move on. ;D ;D ;D

You were there when I got shot. You drove me to the hospital. Do you still require medical records to actually believe I was shot?  ;D ;D ;D I would not be surprised if you said yes. ;D

pickmaster60 — Oct 30, 2008We are talking about remembering circumstances or details of what actually happened

No shit Sherlock.

Not picking out the person who shot me.

And if there is a chance of me being correct, then we are arguing about this for no reason. We'll never know if I'm correct or not. I think I am. I know I am

Nobody said there wasn't a chance you were not correct. But both of us have said you may not be.

And no...the fact we would be arguing for no reason is incorrect.
The argument has and is that you can't be so sure of what you may or may not remember that long ago.
You are the one who made the arguement that you could remember it  so well. In fact you just said you"know "you are...right there in this quote.

Hookbender — Oct 30, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/75#86 date=1225344601]We are talking about remembering circumstances or details of what actually happened

No shit Sherlock.

Not picking out the person who shot me.


No shit....I didn't say anything about picking out who shot you. I don't remember anybody saying something about that.

You came up with that on your own.

You question me, I answer, you don't like the answer, and we argue in circles as usual.

I question you and you don't answer the question. You just go on to something else.

We don't argue in circles....you don't give answers that pertain to the questions.

Hook, you didn't seem to remember certain details that pick did.  Well maybe not forgot but omitted.  People do that a lot in these more extreme situations too.  

I think pick's just looking for a day to day example where you actually see black racism.

Racism in some states is so little that people may forget how we in the southern states have to deal with it almost everyday.

Even when I lived in B'ham I didn't see white racism almost every day...or anything close to it. I'm pretty sure it's going on....but I rarely saw it. I did hear white people using the N word and some nasty comments or jokes from time to time.

Are you really dealing with racism almost every day now?  wow.

pickmaster60 — Oct 30, 2008[quote author=Hookbender link=1224882683/75#90 date=1225345463][quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/75#86 date=1225344601]We are talking about remembering circumstances or details of what actually happened

No shit Sherlock.

Not picking out the person who shot me.


No shit....I didn't say anything about picking out who shot you. I don't remember anybody saying something about that.

You came up with that on your own.

No dummy, it's right here in the article you posted. It's mostly about eye witneses. People picking out the wrong person in a line up type thing. I can't pick out the guy who shot me. But I do know the details of what happened. Just because you can't remember shit, doesn't mean I can't either. Damn. I can remember the the details of what happened, but I couldn't pick out the guy who did it. Do you read your own articles?  

BINGEWOOD — Oct 30, 2008Hook, you didn't seem to remember certain details that pick did.  Well maybe not forgot but omitted.  People do that a lot in these more extreme situations too.  

I think pick's just looking for a day to day example where you actually see black racism.

What detail did I not remember? I haven't given all the details as far as what I remember.

pickmaster60 — Oct 30, 2008Racism in some states is so little that people may forget how we in the southern states have to deal with it almost everyday.

Even when I lived in B'ham I didn't see white racism almost every day...or anything close to it. I'm pretty sure it's going on....but I rarely saw it. I did hear white people using the N word and some nasty comments or jokes from time to time.

Are you really dealing with racism almost every day now?  wow.

Everyday is a exageration. The point was that racism probably happens way more ofter in the southern states than say, northern states. The south, southern states, are known to have many racial issues. And it seems, by your own admission, that you've been around your fair share of the crap. So why are you arguing about something we agree on, pretty much. Oh wait....this is where I'm supposed to fuck with your mind a little more. ;D ;D

So racism is appearent to you also. ;D ;D ;D Thank you sir. Or is use of the N word by white people not a racist term to you. ;D ;D

Hookbender — Oct 30, 2008[quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/75#92 date=1225345925][quote author=Hookbender link=1224882683/75#90 date=1225345463][quote author=pickmaster60 link=1224882683/75#86 date=1225344601]We are talking about remembering circumstances or details of what actually happened

No shit Sherlock.

Not picking out the person who shot me.


No shit....I didn't say anything about picking out who shot you. I don't remember anybody saying something about that.

You came up with that on your own.

No dummy, it's right here in the article you posted. It's mostly about eye witneses. People picking out the wrong person in a line up type thing. I can't pick out the guy who shot me. But I do know the details of what happened. Just because you can't remember shit, doesn't mean I can't either. Damn. I can remember the the details of what happened, but I couldn't pick out the guy who did it. Do you read your own articles?  


Yes I read them . It doesn't seem you do though.Where you not an eye witness to what happened as well as a victim?


They talk a great deal about our memories of events and how we don't remember things so great.

Here are parts:

Human memory is not like video or photo camera that can bring up a clear picture later in time. Our memories are often distorted by our schemas and other factors. If we are missing a piece of the picture when trying to remember something, our mind will replace it with something else. In this situation we will have a skewed memory. It was dark outside when the officer pulled the car over, therefore we can only see parts of the situation. Our mind can fill in those dark spots with other schemas when we try to remember the situation at a future time.

Another study was done by Patricia Tollestrup, John Turtle, and John Yille. The study focused on how we acquisition or pay attention to a certain scene, how we store that information and how we retrieve it later from our memory. They studied cases where the suspect confessed to the crime. These cases had eyewitness bystanders and eyewitness victims. The bystanders proved to have a more accurate memory of the crime scene than the victims involved. 100% of the bystanders remembered if the suspect had facial hair, only 60% of the crime victims remembered this correctly. Only 48% of the bystanders and 38% of the victims involved remembered the hair color of the suspect. The worse part is that both the bystanders and the victim eyewitnesses chose the right criminal 48% of the time in a lineup. This study shows that eyewitness testimony is very weak. It also shows that if the eyewitness was the victim of the crime, chances are their testimony is even weaker because of many factors that bias their memory. Another major reason why eye witness testimony should not take as much weight as it does today.

Another flaw that sometimes if not often puts innocent people in jail is the confident testimony of a victim that was seriously hurt or violated (Loftus). When this victim says with confidence “this is the guy that did it, I will never forget that face